On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 9:17 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 03:38:37PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > The Packaging Guidelines currently say this, under Spec Legibility:
> >
> > | To help facilitate legibility, only macros and conditionals for Fedora
> > | and EPEL are allowed to be used in Fedora Packages. Use of macros and
> > | conditionals for other distributions, including Fedora derivatives, is
> > | not permitted in spec files of packages in the main Fedora
> > | repositories unless those macros and conditionals are also present in
> > | Fedora.
> >
> > <https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/#_spec_file_encoding>
> >
> > I would like to get this changed to explicitly permit %fedora, %rhel,
> > %centos, %epel. And augment this list with %hummingbird, now that
> > Hummingbird images are part of the Fedora family.
> >
> > What's the best way to build consensus for this kind of a change to the
> > Packaging Guidelines, and implement it?
>
> IMHO we already defacto have consensus for allowing the use
> of %rhel because the current guideline is widely ignored[1]:
%rhel is inherently a conditional for EPEL, so it is already allowed
by the existing guidelines. At least that's how I've always
interpreted it, and my conclusion from it's popularity in spec files
is that most people interpret it the same way.
>
> # grep -l '%{?rhel}' src/all-fedora/*/*.spec | wc -l
> 1776
>
> The guidelines just need fixing to match reality, which is as
> simple as making the rst doc change as a pull request for:
>
>
> https://forge.fedoraproject.org/packaging/guidelines/src/branch/main/guidelines/modules/ROOT/pages/index.adoc#_spec_legibility
>
> One you allow %rhel, then %centos/%epel naturally follow. They
> have minimal usage today, but that is expected as 99% of the
> time it is sufficient to use %fedora/%rhel
>
> # grep -l '%{?centos}' src/all-fedora/*/*.spec | wc -l
> 26
> # grep -l '%{?epel}' src/all-fedora/*/*.spec | wc -l
> 54
>
>
> With regards,
> Daniel
>
> [1] This is a clone of all of Fedora dist-git updated about
> 2 months ago or so.
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