On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 6:33 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
<zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 06:23:53AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 4:40 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > <zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 08:04:57AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> > > > Dne 19. 03. 25 v 7:48 odp. Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a):
> > > > > == Scope ==
> > > > > * Proposal owners:
> > > > > ** Package [https://github.com/keszybz/fedora-repro-build
> > > > > fedora-repro-build] to allow local rebuilds of historical koji builds
> > > >
> > > > This
> > > >
> > > > https://rpm-software-management.github.io/mock/feature-hermetic-builds
> > >
> > > Yes, thanks for the link. I think this didn't exist when I started working
> > > on my script to do rebuilds, so I just gather the rpms reported by koji
> > > to have been used for the original build and call 'createrepo_c' on the
> > > directory and point mock to that. This works fine… But having support
> > > for using a lockfile natively in mock is nice.
> > >
> > > Though, the process described in that link seems incomplete.
> > > > # we want to build this package
> > > > srpm=your-package.src.rpm
> > > Where does the $srpm come from? The process of creating the srpm from
> > > dist-git involves running the spec, i.e. already calling "untrusted"
> > > code. How is that part handled?
> > >
> >
> > It's also not *really* hermetic either. Hermetic builds require true
> > isolation and there is no Mock backend that provides that right now.
> > All it does is let you pre-download the build environment and replay
> > it multiple times. Koji can do that too, and yet nobody calls it
> > hermetic either because chroots/containers aren't good enough for that.
>
> OK, so what do you mean by "true isolation" then?
> I'd say that once the build in a container with no network access,
> that is good enough for me :)
>

A microvm, basically. Running as a VM prevents host characteristics
from leaking into the build environment and messing things up. It also
makes it so some test suites for packages will work correctly without
breaking the builder.



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