On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 11:39, Ian Pilcher <arequip...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/30/23 10:22, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 19:10, Miro Hrončok <mhron...@redhat.com> wrote:
> >> We would also need to ensure UTC work even without tzdata installed.
> >
> > Yes, that would be useful.
> >
> > Although IMHO even that seems like a nice-to-have not an absolute
> > showstopper. Most containerized workloads that don't need time zone
> > info probably aren't using ZoneInfo("UTC") to convert from UTC to UTC,
> > they're probably not using ZoneInfo at all.
> >
> >>
> >> I would be reluctant to carry this as a downstream-only patch. And the
> upstream
> >> window for changes like this has already closed for Python 3.12.
>
> Rather than expecting runtimes and applications to be fixed to work
> without any timezone information, perhaps the best way forward would be
> to create a tzdata-utc (and similar Java and Python packages).
>
> (Sorry if this has already been suggested & rejected. I don't remember
> seeing it in this thread, but ...)
>
>
I have not seen it and I think it is probably the best way to deal with
this. Going from how many sysadmin tasks I have dealt with where tzdata is
broken on a system.. a LOT of existing code being used in a lot of places
is silently relying on it.. usually in ways where you end up with a bad
crash long after startup, etc. A bare set of whatever fulfills utc and/or
defaults from LANG=C would at least get them working.
--
Stephen Smoogen, Red Hat Automotive
Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle.
-- Ian MacClaren
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