I appreciate and am empathetic to all of those carrying the burden of this
and the thousands of other RPM packages.  As a users of Fedora + RPM
Fusion + Cinnamon Desktop as my daily laptop driver since 2011, I love
Fedora and am a heavy user of Flatpacks.  So thank you all.

That said, I will point out that I have heard of at least 4
enterprise customers who use libreoffice as a headless file conversion
utility.  I have seen it used in customer facing production workflows, such
as a financial user support website to handle file uploads provided by end
users, as well as medical health records systems used by hospitals and
doctors offices.
https://www.libreofficehelp.com/batch-convert-writer-documents-pdf-libreoffice/

I am not asking for a change in strategy.  I understand our resource
challenges.  I only wanted to share this perspective.  Packaging the RPMS
in EPEL could alleviate the pain for these customers in the RHEL 10
timeframe, as well as a container image (maybe built from the rpms pulled
from EPEL?).

Hope this is helpful.  And again, THANK YOU!

Terry Bowling
Sr. Product Manager - RHEL Installation & Build Services Experience
Red Hat, Inc.




On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 2:31 PM Matthias Clasen <mcla...@redhat.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> as you've probably seen, the LibreOffice RPMS have recently been orphaned,
> and I thought it would be good to explain the reasons
> behind this.
>
> The Red Hat Display Systems team (the team behind most of Red Hat’s
> desktop efforts) has maintained the LibreOffice packages in Fedora for
> years as part of our work to support LibreOffice for Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux. We are adjusting our engineering priorities for RHEL for
> Workstations and focusing on gaps in Wayland, building out HDR support,
> building out what’s needed for color-sensitive work, and a host of other
> refinements required by Workstation users. This is work that will improve
> the workstation experience for Fedora as well as RHEL users, and which, we
> hope, will be positively received by the entire Linux community.
>
> The tradeoff is that we are pivoting away from work we had been doing on
> desktop applications and will cease shipping LibreOffice as part of RHEL
> starting in a future RHEL version. This also limits our ability to maintain
> it in future versions of Fedora.
>
> We will continue to maintain LibreOffice in currently supported versions
> of RHEL (RHEL 7, 8 and 9) with needed CVEs and similar for the lifetime of
> those releases (as published on the Red Hat website). As part of that, the
> engineers doing that work will contribute some fixes upstream to ensure
> LibreOffice works better as a Flatpak, which we expect to be the way that
> most people consume LibreOffice in the long term.
>
> Any community member is of course free to take over maintenance, both for
> the RPMS in Fedora and the Fedora LibreOffice Flatpak, but be aware that
> this is a sizable block of packages and dependencies and a significant
> amount of work to keep up with.
>
> Matthias
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