> Am 08.10.2021 um 14:08 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel 
> <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>:
> 
> Peter Boy wrote:
>> A valid point, but only in case the app that consumes the maven artefact
>> in unmaintained.
> 
> Many applications are maintained and never (or very rarely, only when they 
> encounter some issue with the version they currently use) bother bumping 
> their dependencies after adding them once. Especially in the corporate 
> world, this is commonplace.

Yes, unfortunately in case of security issues. But those people wouldn’t be 
amused either if you silently exchanged a lib/jar.

As a Fedora rpm, the app will get rebuild about every 6 months. The „curated 
list“ as proposed/implemented by Mikolaj keeps track of upstream maintenance 
and security issues (at least it is constructed to be able to do as he 
described). So we can make a rebuild fail if it uses a security tainted version 
instead of a newer one. 

That would be quite a broad hint. If someone ignores that, the problem is not 
one of jar vs. rpm. 



>>> I think this would be not only a huge
>>> waste of space
>> 
>> given the current size of hard drive space, this really isn't a problem.
>> You won't be able to install a meaningful collection of apps whose
>> cumulative footprint of jars installed in parallel leaves any noticeable
>> trace on a x tb disk.
> 
> Considering that Fedora now also targets devices with as little as 16 or 32 
> GB out-of-the-box storage:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/PinePhone
> https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone#Specifications
> 
> that argument is invalid.

Boxes with these storage limitation have usually other limitations as well and 
are not a device to install a huge bunch of software. But even with 16g GB 
storage, what is a typical size of jars? E.g. the set of log4j jars need about 
2mb. You need a lot of jars installed redundantly to flood 16 gb of storage. 

In theory you are right, but practically this will not be a problem in the vast 
majority of cases.  

And in any case, it is better to have applications as rpm for a large number of 
typical usage scenarios than no rpm version at all for anyone. 

All that under the assumption that said „curated list workflow“  will make it 
easier to build a Java application rpm. 





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