On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 14:40, Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 08:16, Pierre-Yves Chibon <pin...@pingoured.fr> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 11:49:41AM +0200, Clement Verna wrote: >> > There is also an historical taste to write in house applications for >> > things that don't really seems critical to the Fedora Project, for >> example >> > do we really need a custom calendar application ? or election >> application >> > ? It seems that every time we have a problem the solution is let's >> write >> > something to solve that problem, instead of trying to find a >> compromise >> > and reuse existing solutions. >> >> Could please stop this? >> >> > This is me also asking this. > > > >> The continuous theme of "we're building things because we like it" is >> unfair to >> all the people who have been involved in the infrastructure at some point >> in the >> past. >> It is assuming that there was no reasons, that they did not do their >> research, >> that they didn't think it through. >> >> The requirements for applications 3 years ago were vastly different from >> what >> they are today. >> If you don't know the historical reasons for an app, there are a number of >> people around who can answer them, but please let's stop assuming things >> which >> are at the end of the day insulting and demotivating for the people who >> were >> involved then and are still now. >> >> This goes for fedocal, for pagure, for anitya. I've seen this question >> come up >> often enough (here and elsewhere): "Why aren't we using libraries.io >> instead of >> anytia?" >> Well, the simple reason is: because libraries.io *did* *not* *exist* >> when anitya >> was created. So maybe we are not the bad ones that didn't do their >> research. >> >> > I am also sick and tired of this. For many years, a central drive for > Fedora Infra was about building the Free and Open Source tools to allow a > community to work together without using closed source tools. This was a > constant requirement of the community to us at the time with wanting > something to 'compete' against Canonical's forge and Canonicals' other > tools. Things have changed but instead of saying "Good job, thanks for all > that work but we have decided to change.", our efforts are brought up > constantly as a bunch of NIH who wasted time and effort. And it doesn't > matter how many times people are reminded that we had reasons and research > for doing this from 2005 to 2015.. it gets thrown in our faces that we > reinvented the wheel when there were clearly better things to spend our > time on. > > Ok fair and thanks for pointing and raising that point. It is also good to share that historical context to people like me that where not around during that time. Again apologies, this was not at all my intention to point fingers at people. What does NIH stands for ? > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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