On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:26 AM Igor Gnatenko
<ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>
> The question arises, what people are supposed to do when they modularized 
> content because modularity is (was?) good tool to have "buildroot-only 
> packages," "separate lifecycle from Fedora" and "no difference from normal 
> packages."
>
> Second was rightfully prohibited by FESCo, first is making people not happy. 
> Third one is not true.
>
> I basically had to go back, remove 28 out of 52 Fedora modules because 
> tooling is not improving and policies are being more restrictive.
>
> You say we need to improve tooling and iterate fast, fine. But why then 
> https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7662 is still not implemented? I understand 
> that it is opensource And everyone can contribute, but the fact is that 
> people who work on Modularity tooling is entirely paid by RH and those people 
> are "responsible" to bring it to Fedora and make it work. However, as written 
> in the ticket "it is not a priority for that team".
>

To be clear, the team that rejected that was the Bodhi team, not the
Modularity team. We do need to re-examine that; it just kind of fell
off the radar due to higher-priority issues.

> So is it really about making tooling (writing new, or making existing better) 
> or about making those people to implement Fedora needs?
>
>> For that we need to focus on the issue, which is, from my point of
>> view: default streams and their differences from the ursine packages.
>>
>> One is caused by the lack of Ursa Prime, another is the upgrade
>> functionality, and I guess the third one is the non-api and filtered
>> packages in the module.
>>
>> P.S. I am not a member of Modularity team.

I agree with Aleksandra here. And we *did* establish that our policy
going forward is that we will forbid any default stream from providing
non-API content. (Filtered out packages are orthogonal to this.)
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