On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:33 PM Ty Young <youngty1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'll just cut to the chase. > > > About 2-3 months ago I filed a bug report that overclocking on Nvidia > hardware wasn't working on Fedora. I observed this bug while trying out > Fedora Silverblue 30's release but not in beta. I then later sent an email > about this issue wherein Nvidia was immediately blamed for the bug despite > this not being an issue on any other Linux distro. I was then asked to file a > bug report and had provider information, which I did by doing multiple > reinstalls of Silverblue/Workstation. > > > 2-3 months ago by and the bug report has been closed because I didn't and > couldn't do a deep level analysis. I don't use Fedora, I use Arch Linux. This > isn't my distro and I'm not the one that broke it to begin with. The only > reason I was even trying it out is because I really like the whole immutable > filesystem concept and was hoping that the bug and issues with it would be > ironed out and that I could switch to it if Arch decided to take a dump. > > > Sadly the issues weren't last time I checked about a month ago. Silverblue > repos are often out of sync with the rest of Fedora resulting in upgrades > failing. You have to manually cleanup upgrade meta cache to get upgrades to > work correctly(rpm-ostree cleanup -m). Fedora update servers in general are > unstable and unreliable as hell, sometimes returning HTTP error codes or just > being offline. Gnome Software doesn't display software correctly on the front > page. There still is no way to add Flatpak external disks via Gnome-Settings > as of 3.34. You can't use Rawhide with Nvidia drivers because of debug > kernel. There is a lack of software compared to other Linux distros like > Ubuntu or Arch(no Vivaldi!?!?). Fedora developers tend to be hostile towards > proprietary software. etc. > > > No, Red Hat. Fedora Silverblue isn't easy to use. >
No one is saying Silverblue is easy to use yet. Most of us know that Silverblue has plenty of warts and needs a ton of refinement to be useful for people beyond people who live in containers (a small group of people that matters a lot to Red Hat). We still offer Workstation. Just use that. :) > > ...but I digress... > > > I got the email and decided to check the nvidia-settings repo on Github[1]. > Apparently, Someone has filed a bug report about overclocking on rootless X. > org servers doesn't work[2]. I then downloaded Fedora Workstation and > installed the Nvidia driver and checked which user the X. org server was > running under. > > > Mini rant: By the way, update your damn installer images. Users shouldn't > have to install 400MB of updates after they just install the distro. The > installer image has Firefox 66 on it still! That's really freaking stupid. On > my 5400RPM drive it takes a half hour to install all of that crap, which is > longer than installing the distro itself or updating under Silverblue! > > > Yep, X. Org **ISN"T** running under root. Overclocking doesn't work either, > same as before. > > > So I then tried making X. Org run as root using the Arch Wiki's guide[3] and > verified that I was now running as root. > > > I was... and overclocking is now working. > > > ...seriously? You make a abrupt change to Fedora 30 literally right before it > was released, breaking overclocking applications such as my own AND Nvidia's > own software, and then blame Nvidia for your own screwup? Really? > Fedora and other distributions have been working on rootless Xorg since 2013. We've had it in place since at least 2015. This change was made way back in Fedora 24. > > So problem found. It was a problem in Fedora all along, like I said from > nearly the beginning. Fix problems that **YOU** make instead of blaming > Nvidia next time. > This is Nvidia's fault. It was hidden from you because sometimes the packaging for the proprietary Nvidia driver has forced non-rootless Xorg. I guess that's no longer the case, oh well. Talk to the packager for the Nvidia driver, or better yet, talk to Nvidia to get them to support rootless Xorg properly. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
