On Fri, 1 Feb 2019 at 03:26, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Le jeudi 31 janvier 2019 à 19:52 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:58 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:28, Igor Gnatenko < > > > ignatenkobr...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > Problem №1: Build-only packages > > > > > > > > Rawhide gating makes this much more complicated because builds > > > > appear in buildroot slower, updating group of packages would need > > > > side tags and it’s just painful to work with. > > > > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2068 > > > > > > > > And, after all, those packages shouldn’t be shipped to users. > > > > > > My main problem with this is the above. Yes Joe Desktop User isn't > > > going to see/need that package.. but we have a LOT of packagers who > > > take our stuff and rebuild it for themselves for various reasons. I > > > find it hard to put together the proposal which is supposed to make > > > developing/packaging easier with making developing/packaging harder. > > > Whether you want it to or not, this comes across as "If you want to > > > use Go or Rust, you will need our special set of tools which we keep > > > hidden." > > > > > > > This is actually something I really don't like either. But the Fedora > > leadership has pushed very hard on the concept of having packages that > > aren't available to "normies", and require special tooling to be able > > to leverage (that for various reasons, I can't even use as a third > > party packager!). > > If MBI is about hiding build packages I don't see the point and I'm not > interested. > > Actually I don't think it is part of MBI but comes up in some Rust/Go packages which do regular chain-bootstrapping to be bleeding edge. I will let someone more versed in it speak on the specifics as I usually see red on hidden packages and am not a disinterested party. > > -- Stephen J Smoogen.
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