On 06/06/2018 03:04 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Friday, 01 June 2018 at 12:53, Hans de Goede wrote: >> On 01-06-18 11:54, Tomas Kovar wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have two suggestions: >>> >>> - on UEFI systems, would it be possible to use an EFI variable to force >>> grub menu? That way, it would be possible to enter the menu from UEFI boot >>> loader or shell, even if the system itself is in non-working state or on >>> read-only device. >> That is a good idea I've added looking into this to my TODO list. > What about UEFI systems where there's no way to get into EFI shell > because firmware is deliberately broken by the vendor to prevent > booting anything apart from Windows? I managed to get Fedora booting > with SecureBoot enabled on my system only by manually setting the > name of its boot entry to "Windows Boot Manager". There's no option > to boot anything else because any BootNext/BootOrder options set > with efibootmgr get ignored. I'm sure my machine is not an exception > in this regard, so you cannot rely on users being able to do anything > before GRUB comes up. > > Disabling the GRUB menu and shortening timeouts is a bad idea in my > opinion. You don't boot so often these days and when you need to > access the GRUB menu, you usually do because something is broken and > you don't want to poke around the internet to find out how to do that > in Fedora because you might even have no internet access. There needs > to be a clear hint on the screen how to access the menu visible long > enough for the user to read it.
I especially think that if you're going to show *anything*, it might as well be the menu itself. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/BZR2RHULJDJ7BU6F4DL3HFTYBF2PBF7Y/
