On 2 August 2017 at 09:34, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 09:23:05AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > The issue I am seeing with this is that people who want to keep existing
> > scripts are also wanting to keep existing package mechanism. If I say yum
> > install httpd I am expecting to get the RPMs and setup I have for N
> years.
> > I am not expecting to get a profile and modular set of tools decided by
> > someone else who came up with a name httpd which matches a different case
> > need. The same with WordPress or some other toolkit.
> >
> > If the module WordPress pulls in maria-db and my site has been using
> > PostgreSQL, I am not just going to be confused.. I am going to be angry
> > because my other scripts to seed the database aren't working. The quick
>
> Good examples, thanks.
>
> Do you think that this problem is as bad if we overload / replace /
> enhance comps groups and the @ syntax? Or do we need to find a
> different character? (Uh, I guess % is sitting out there....)
>
>
>
Again, if my scripts are using the @ symbol, I am expecting that I am going
to get the @ syntax. As can be seen when the comps groups get broken in a
main release, there are people who rely on it for deploying the system and
expect that certain choices are 'made'. I would go with either a new symbol
or keyword.

This will also help that people will also expect that the commands
dnf list, dnf remove, dnf <> will give the same data as dnf install does.

dnf list wordpress gives me

[root@f26 ~]# dnf list wordpress
Last metadata expiration check: 0:39:22 ago on 2017-08-02T09:07:22 EDT.
Available Packages
wordpress.noarch        4.8-1.fc26        fedora

If I do an 'dnf install wordpress' I expect to get that. Even if there is a
wordpress group. I don't see that. I need a different syntax to see groups.

Available Modules
wordpress

section.. my script will now be confused. and I will definitely confused if
I get a wordpress module of a different version than what the dnf list gave
me.




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