* Laszlo Ersek (ler...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> related TianoCore BZ:
>
> https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1871
>
> (I'm starting this thread separately because at least some of the topics
> are specific to QEMU, and I didn't want to litter the BZ with a
> discussion that may not be interesting to all participants CC'd on the
> BZ. I am keeping people CC'd on this initial posting; please speak up if
> you'd like to be dropped from the email thread.)
>
> QEMU provides guests with the virtio-rng device, and the OVMF and
> ArmVirtQemu* edk2 platforms build EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL on top of that
> device. But, that doesn't seem enough for all edk2 use cases.
>
> Also, virtio-rng (hence EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL too) is optional, and its
> absence may affect some other use cases.
>
>
> (1) For UEFI HTTPS boot, TLS would likely benefit from good quality
> entropy. If the VM config includes virtio-rng (hence the guest firmware
> has EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL), then it should be used as a part of HTTPS boot.
>
> However, what if virtio-rng (hence EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL) are absent? Should
> UEFI HTTPS boot be disabled completely (or prevented / rejected
> somehow), blaming lack of good entropy? Or should TLS silently fall back
> to "mixing some counters [such as TSC] together and applying a
> deterministic cryptographic transformation"?
>
> IOW, knowing that the TLS setup may not be based on good quality
> entropy, should we allow related firmware services to "degrade silently"
> (not functionally, but potentially in security), or should we deny the
> services altogether?
I don't see a downside to insisting that if you want to use https then
you must provide an entropy source; they're easy enough to add using
virtio-rng if the CPU doesn't provide it.
>
> (2) It looks like the SMM driver implementing the privileged part of the
> UEFI variable runtime service could need access to good quality entropy,
> while running in SMM; in the future.
>
> This looks problematic on QEMU. Entropy is a valuable resource, and
> whatever resource SMM drivers depend on, should not be possible for e.g.
> a 3rd party UEFI driver (or even for the runtime OS) to exhaust.
> Therefore, it's not *only* the case that SMM drivers must not consume
> EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL (which exists at a less critical privilege level, i.e.
> outside of SMM/SMRAM), but also that SMM drivers must not depend on the
> same piece of *hardware* that feeds EFI_RNG_PROTOCOL.
>
> Furthermore, assuming we dedicate a hardware entropy device specifically
> to SMM drivers, such a device cannot be PCI(e). It would have to be a
> platform device at a fixed location (IO port or MMIO) that is only
> accessible to such guest code that executes in SMM. IOW, device access
> would have to be restricted similarly to pflash. (In fact the variable
> SMM driver will need, AIUI, the entropy for encrypting various variable
> contents, which are then written into pflash.)
Ewww. I guess a virtio-rng instance wired to virtio-mmio could do that.
It's a bit grim though.
Dave
> Alternatively, CPU instructions could exist that return entropy, and are
> executable only inside SMM. It seems that e.g. RDRAND can be trapped in
> guests ("A VMEXIT due to RDRAND will have exit reason 57 (decimal)").
> Then KVM / QEMU could provide any particular implementation we wanted --
> for example an exception could be injected unless RDRAND had been
> executed from within SMM. Unfortunately, such an arbitrary restriction
> (of RDRAND to SMM) would diverge from the Intel SDM, and would likely
> break other (non-SMM) guest code.
>
> Does a platform device that is dynamically detectable and usable in SMM
> only seem like an acceptable design for QEMU?
>
> Thanks,
> Laszlo
>
>
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilb...@redhat.com / Manchester, UK
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