I wonder how many people here that advise against minification, keep their compiled binaries "readable". Please start shipping your makefiles with "-Og" instead of "-Os" then.
On 19 May 2018 at 11:16, Hiltjo Posthuma <hil...@codemadness.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 07:32:49PM +0100, Martin Tournoij wrote: >> On Fri, May 18, 2018, at 18:38, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote: >> > > As for my general thoughts on minification: use common sense. If you're >> > > creating one of those pages with 3M of JavaScript then it probably makes >> > > sense. If you're creating something more sane then it's probably just >> > > wasted effort at best. >> > > >> > Don't create pages with 3MB of Javascript, that's insane. >> >> I agree. My boss, our web designers, and many other people don't, so >> unfortunately I do have to deal with it. >> >> > I think concatenation/bundling in one file is fine, but not >> > minification, because it makes the source unreadable. >> >> I'm not really sure if I understand what the harm in that is as such? I >> personally find it useful to have the full source for debugging my >> *own* websites, but I couldn't care less what someone else does with >> their website. Do you ever read the source of random websites? >> > > I do. For example it can be useful to overwrite insane layout things or > write a non-javascript program to use the site "API". > > Make sure to write little code, then no minification is needed. Just use > a little Javascript to make the site nicer to use, for example for form > highlighting in "validation" (not real validation of course, this has to > be done server-side always). Make sure using Javascript is not mandatory. > >> > Carefully evaluate what you actually use in the site. Don't use >> > bloated Javascript (such as jQuery) and CSS frameworks (such as >> > Bootstrap). >> >> Sometimes using jQuery or Bootstrap makes sense. It really depends on >> what you're building. If you're building a more complex website then >> using jQuery can be perfectly reasonable. For a simpler website with >> little JS? Probably not. >> > > You never need jQuery for this: for querying the DOM using querySelector or > querySelectorAll or something. The days IE6 compatibility was required > are long gone too. > > Here are a list of scripts without jQuery with (optional) reusable components > for a website: > https://git.codemadness.org/jscancer/files.html > > When W3C/WhatWG finally writes a clear decent standard and it is implemented > consistently I'll use it. Unfortunately they are a bunch of wankers in a dark > room with no real-world experience. They are only interested in adding DRM to > the web. > > Bootstrap adds atleast 100KB+ of CSS as a base "template". This is a > waste of resources (CPU, bandwidth, etc). > > Don't spread bad web ideas to suckless. > > -- > Kind regards, > Hiltjo >
