On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Jesse Gross <je...@nicira.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Pravin Shelar <pshe...@nicira.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Jesse Gross <je...@nicira.com> wrote:
>>> I spent a fair amount of time thinking about this today and concluded that 
>>> neither option is very attractive as is.
>>>
>>> If we go with what you have now, I'm fairly confident that we will regret 
>>> it in the future.  The kernel code used to more directly implement various 
>>> features and prior to upstreaming we broke many of them down.  I'm happy 
>>> with the results of that but this time we won't have the benefit of 
>>> revising things later. This is particularly bad because it deviates from 
>>> our usual model of userspace controlling everything and here userspace 
>>> won't even know what the flow looks like. The effects of this tend to 
>>> metastasize because when userspace doesn't know what the packet looks like 
>>> it can't implement things that it might overwise be able to do and more and 
>>> more ends up in the kernel. The other thing, which is specific to MPLS, is 
>>> that there is no inherent way to know the type of the payload. Userspace is 
>>> vastly more likely to have this information in the event that we want to do 
>>> something with the inner packet.  In your patch the kernel is basically 
>>> assuming that the type is IP (OpenFlow doesn't give us any additional 
>>> information but it doesn't seem like a good idea in general).
>>>
>> For now we can implement ttl_in and ttl_out only in userspace by not
>> installing flow if these are not very common actions used.
>
> That may make sense for the time being.  In some use cases the TTL
> operations might get used a lot but there are plenty of others where
> MPLS could be used without them.  If we decide to go down the
> recirculation path, that's a fairly big project, so doing some
> operations in userspace may allow MPLS to continue moving forward.

<rk> are you referring to ttl actions to be implemented in userspace
only? if that's case how will it solve the problem?
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