Am 17.09.20 um 21:15 schrieb Dave Fisher:

On Sep 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Marcus <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:

Am 17.09.20 um 15:00 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
Here is my thought.
AOO exists to serve a large segment of the "I need office software" community 
which is, IMO at least, dis-served. Not everyone can afford the latest and greatest PC, 
with the latest version of the OS, and lots of RAM and disk. This is especially true in 
developing countries. If you have recent hardware and software, you have lots of options. 
If you don't, you are screwed.

right, an argument that oft got forgotten.

I wasn’t forgetting this argument. If we keep 4.1.x around then that line can 
continue to be an option.

don't worry, I haven't meant you. ;-)
It was just general.

So with that in mind, baselining a "old" version of macOS (Oops... OS X ;) ) 
makes sense.
Now, of course, you can build and run AOO on recent/current versions of macOS 
and hardware. We want to ensure that those stuck on older versions can also do 
that and, especially, ensure that our community builds support them.

Sounds good and helpful.

I'm +1 for keeping the baseline for every OS as long as (technically) possible 
on a low level.

My fear is that we end up in a situation where only one community member has 
the ability to build and for whatever reason they disappear.

This is not an idle concern. It has happened twice with macOS.

When we haven't the knowledge anymore to support things then we have a problem. Yes. But this is not special for the baseline of an OS.

Marcus



On Sep 15, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote:

The 4.1,X line of releases should remain focused on MacOSX Lion 10.7.

Which version should we target for 4.2.0 and trunk?

Some facts:
(1) The minimum version of MacOSX you can get easily is Yosemite 10.10.
This runs on these machines. [1] The era is 2007-2009.

(2) Catalina 10.15 is Apple's preferred version
It runs on these machines. [2] The era is roughly 2012-2013.

(3) Building for Lion 10.7 requires special configuration of Xcode which makes 
it hard to reproduce our community builds.

No hurry to have this discussion. I just wanted to gauge developers thoughts 
before I make another attempt to build.


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