Am 01.07.20 um 18:13 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
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From: Dave Fisher [mailto:w...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
On Jul 1, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Jörg Schmidt
<joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
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From: Dr. Michael Stehmann
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Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 4:18 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: New Committer: Detlef Nannen
Am 01.07.20 um 16:08 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
Is this your opinion or the opinion of Detlef?
This was a mistake: The right question is:
Is this your opinion or the opinion of Jan-Christian?
STOP!
I'm only speaking specifically in person here. Try not to
doubt that!
(In fact, I haven't had the chance to talk to Jan at all,
because I've only known about the development for a few hours)
Or are there more people involved in producing the flyers?
Isn't it enough to treat one unjustly?
Why is our announcing new Committers a problem of justice?
Because others who have done the SAME job are denied being committers because
they are not even asked.
please have - again - a look into the starting mail. It's about to
welcome a new committer.
Do you really think it's OK to complain here in this thread about others
which are not invited?
Don't you think that starting a *new* mail thread is the only way to do
this?
It
should be celebrated. You should stop these accusations.
I'm sorry, but I will not stand by silently and watch our project become a
gentlemen's club, where everyone is sworn to an opinion and whoever dares to
express his own opinion is treated as an Troublemaker.
Sure, but please in an own mail thread.
Unfortunately, I had to learn what counts, e.g. accepting employees of IBM into
the PMC and pretending that it is personal achievement (in the sense of
voluntary work) to do what you are paid for professionally.
Well, maybe that was helpful, but is it fair to give one person something with
a light hand that you withhold from the other just because you don't like her
opinion in some things?
If
there are people that you feel the PMC has missed then please
send an email to private@openoffice and let the PMC know.
No, thank you. I'm not gonna pretend that everything is okay here when in truth
it's not.
I have had little confidence in the PMC(*) since I experienced the reaction of
the PMC to a critical request (on private@openoffice) from me.
But only from just 1-2 people, right? I doubt that it was the complete PMC.
(*)
Let me be more specific: I have little trust in those who are currently have a
decisive influence on its activities, because there are also members of the PMC
whose performance I regard with great respect and many members whom I have
never got to know concretely.
Many of us are NOT on the dev-de@openoffice mailing list and
don’t spend any time there. If there have been personal
attacks on the -de lists then please let the PMC know at
private@openoffice so that it can be looked into. Personal
attacks are not OK.
I had a dispute with a PMC member on the mailing list. Do you really think it
is helpful to complain to the PMC about being verbally attacked by a PMC member?
Of course, how else do want you point to problems with persons?
Do you think it's helpful to do this in public like it is done now?
BTW:
When someone is not invited until now means *of course not* that the
person is not wanted. Because it is also possible that the PMC don't
know her/him or doesn't see the full amount of participation in the
OpenOffice project.
Marcus
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