On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:58:04 -0700 "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dr. Michael Stehmann [mailto:anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 22:04 > > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO > > > > Am 01.09.2016 um 00:59 schrieb Simon Phipps: > > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:44 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton < > > > dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: toki [mailto:toki.kant...@gmail.com] > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:30 > > >>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > >>> Subject: Re: Independent Entity to Develop and Further AOO > > >>> > > >>> On 31/08/2016 16:26, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > >>> > > >> I think that is the case because downstream producers, who get the > > support > > >> business, contribute to their upstream framework or source-code > > distributor. > > >> > > >> What indication is there that any of that is working for Apache > > >> OpenOffice? Maybe if we stopped shipping binaries? How would that > > work > > >> for the individuals who seem to dominate our download consumption? > > > > > > > > > Since the "downstream" producers seem better equipped to deliver > > signed and > > > vulnerability-corrected binaries to non-specialist consumers on a > > timely > > > schedule, maybe delegating downloads to them would be a good option > > for the > > > project? > > > > Stopping shipping binaries would cause some negative effect for our > > project, so it might be an option, but not best one. > > > > Binaries made by our community are essential for our QA. > > > > Without them we stand "with empty hands" in the public with negative > > effects for our brand and image. > > > > Supporting our users by community members would break down. > > > > So the impact for the improvement of our commity would be tremendous, if > > we "delegate" this tasks to a third party. > [orcmid] > > I agree with Michael. Ceasing to provide builds from Apache OpenOffice but > having a downstream producer provide them would be retirement of Apache > OpenOffice in everything but name only. I agree emphatically. Most OO users want to download and go - they have not the time or skills to build a version, which is not as trivial task, as frequenters of the dev ML will be aware. RoryOF > > Also, the "downstream" in this thread refers to sellers of support who > apparently package their own versions. We see no contributions back to the > code base from any of those, whoever they might be. > > This is different than existence of forks and openoffice.org-descendant > cousins who operate their own code base and support it, whoever those might > be. While that might be disagreeable to some, it is in the spirit of > open-source and the commitment of the Apache Software Foundation to serving > the public interest. (The protection of the respective trademarks is a > different matter with respect to avoiding confusion about the origin of the > effort.) > > > > > > Kind regards > > Michael > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > -- Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
