On 11/21/2015 10:28 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I don't understand this. > > Issues are a place to provide a tracked account for something > being worked on with regard to defects, and that includes > usability matters and even determination of what the defect is, > if any. It is the only place where there is a single URL and a > mailing-list account that fits typical Apache processes. > > I think discussions of these matters on forums is great. I would > prefer there to be stronger bidirectional coupling and easy ways > for people to follow links to specific places on the different > services. So if something starts out on Bugzilla, and there is a > Forum discussion that goes with it or is started from it, they > should be coupled. > > My concern is that discussions are disconnected from the > developers who have to decide on what and how action is to be > taken, the users who report/analyze defect reports, and forum > threads which may have satisfying conclusions and simply stop > there. I am all for greater inclusion. Let's keep the multiple > places where the same subject arises connected.
In my limited experience with the Forums, mostly what I've seen is discussion of a problem, that is then logged with an "issue" through BZ and a link to the discussion on the Forum as a point of origination is sometimes included in the issue creation. From what I've seen, I wouldn't classify these as development discussions, though developers may have been involved of course. > > I don't recall the forums being given the prominence that is > suggested here. Should we put FAQ messages on dev@ and users@ > describing the desired practice, say monthly? I assume blogs > are not meant as part of this but as other ways of informing the > public about something. > > - Dennis > >> -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Pescetti >> [mailto:pesce...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 >> 15:03 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposed Calc >> "Find & Replace" dialog enhancements >> >> On 16/11/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>> One or more issues should be opened on Bugzilla as well, with >>> cross- >> linking to the Forum thread(s). >>> That's important as a matter of governance. The Forum >>> threads are not >> fully part of the governance and accountability structure of >> the project. >> >> The discussion is brought to the Forum as an initial, open, >> free, discussion, to gather feedback from users. >> Decision-making is done on lists but here we are in a >> "discovery" phase where we simply ask people for feedback, and >> the right channels for this are the blog and the forum, places >> where we reach our end-users. >> >> Then, in a normal workflow, a proposal should be brought to the >> dev list to verify consensus, and issues opened on Bugzilla to >> track development. > [orcmid] That's my problem. I'm concerned about "verifying > consensus" where deliberations are elsewhere. >> >> That said, I for one value end result more than the process, so >> I won't insist on where we should take the various steps; but >> it's sad to see that nothing gets ever posted to the blog, even >> though we would have materials for posts. > [orcmid] The AOO blog is not exactly an easy thing to create > articles for. It is definitely not a place for discussion, > unless we more-actively moderate comments. > > >> >> Regards, Andrea. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- -------------------------------------------- MzK "Somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Just don't fight about it. Just try to get better." -- Yogi Berra --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
