On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Sheran Corera <sherancor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great! Thanks for the feedback.
>
> I had a discussion with our integration team, we would be happy to
> contribute the effort required to create a course and provide an instance of
> the platform - give it free of charge to users.
>
> However, we would like to brand this as "Apache Open Office Training
> Academy" or similar - can we do this (with explicit permission from AOO as
> per trademark policy) given that this is a community support effort, with
> material offered for free, and does not violate ALv2?
>

Hi Sheran,

You can read the official trademark policy for Apache here:

http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/

Note that some things ("nominative use") require no further
permission.  Beyond that you would need to request permission from the
PMC.  In general we avoid using trademarks as adjectives.  So
"Training Academy for Apache OpenOffice" might be OK, but not "Apache
OpenOffice Training Academy".  The key is to make it clear what the
source of the service is.

Regards,

-Rob


> Regards,
> Sheran
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Sheran Corera <sherancor...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Rob / Jani and all,
>> >
>> > What we would like to do, is to take this forward in partnership with
>> > Open
>> > Office in an official manner and run some courses on a rev-share or
>> > similar
>> > so that we can put effort into doing this as well and sell training to
>> > users together with Open Office.
>> >
>> > Since this would then be partly a commercial effort, does this require
>> > us
>> > to send a formal proposal to the pmc or go into a vote or is there a
>> > seperate process for this?
>> >
>>
>> It might be worth giving a high-level description of what you had in
>> mind, without spending too much effort and asking for PMC feedback.
>> But as Jan mentioned, the ASF is a US-based non-profit corporation.
>> So there are restrictions on what kinds of commercial partnerships we
>> can engage in.   In particular I don't think we could be involved in
>> selling training.
>>
>> Would it be interesting to have a free OpenOffice course that also is
>> effective as a showcase of the LayUp platform?  That would fit better
>> with our status and mission.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Please let me know.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sheran
>> > On Jan 20, 2014 7:43 PM, "Isuru Hewavitharana" <
>> > isuru.hewavithar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sheran / Rob,
>> >>
>> >> I have changed the logo and text as requested. Please do a cache
>> >> refresh
>> >> (CTRL + F5) and retry.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >> Isuru
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Sheran Corera <sherancor...@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks Rob,
>> >> >
>> >> > As per the system, you can configure what courses you want to keep
>> >> > open /
>> >> > closed / work according to the point system, so you can run say 3
>> >> courses,
>> >> > for beginners, intermediate, advanced so each user can select which
>> >> > level
>> >> > to participate in.
>> >> >
>> >> > If it is felt that the users need validation (an assessment to gauge
>> >> their
>> >> > skill level) prior to selecting which course they should take, that
>> >> > can
>> >> > integrated with ease as well from the back-end.
>> >> >
>> >> > A colleague, Isuru is on copy, he will change the logo asap in order
>> >> > to
>> >> not
>> >> > violate any trademark policies.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Sheran
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Sheran Corera
>> >> > > <sherancor...@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > Re-posting to dev-list from documentation.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi All,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Going through the Open Office documentation, I noticed the huge
>> >> effort
>> >> > > > taken on content creation and maintenance in each of the
>> >> > > > different
>> >> > > > Wikis<http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/> and
>> >> > > > a separate effort to certify users via the certification
>> >> > > > project<http://www.openoffice.org/certification/> (which
>> >> > > > is really great!).
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > At LayUp <http://www.getlayup.com/?source=oa>, we're working on
>> >> > building
>> >> > > > something similar (a gamified, retention oriented training and
>> >> > > > certification platform targeted entirely at software products)
>> >> > > > and we
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > > like to help take the online certification aspect to the next
>> >> > > > level
>> >> and
>> >> > > > setup a live demo.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I've setup an online demo of what such a system could look like
>> >> > > > for
>> >> > Open
>> >> > > > Office
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > URL - *Open Office Demo - LayUP
>> >> > > > <http://www.getlayup.com/layup/index.php?site=demo2>*
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The login credentials for *user *and *admin *are as follows -
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > *Username* - user
>> >> > > > *Password *- demo
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > *Username *- admin
>> >> > > > *Password *- demo
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > We've taken a lot of effort into setting this up, so instead of
>> >> > > > just
>> >> > > > spamming it, we would appreciate if someone can have a look and
>> >> > > > guide
>> >> > us
>> >> > > on
>> >> > > > how we can take this forward.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I took a quick look.  I like the platform, nice and clear, easy to
>> >> > > use.  I think new users would like this.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > From a learning perspective it might be worth having an install
>> >> > > module.  This would be platform-specific (Windows install differs
>> >> > > from
>> >> > > Mac which differs from Linux).  But we do receive a good deal of
>> >> > > support questions related to install, so this might be an area
>> >> > > worth
>> >> > > covering.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I don't know if your platform allows it, but it would be great if
>> >> > > there was a way to take an initial test and based on test results
>> >> > > be
>> >> > > placed into a higher rank automatically, rather than having
>> >> > > everyone
>> >> > > start at the same initial level.  That way it could be interesting
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > skill building of users who know a little, as well as absolute
>> >> > > beginners.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You'll need to give some attention to the trademark issues involved
>> >> > > here as well.  You currently have it called "Apache OpenOffice
>> >> > > Academy
>> >> > > by Layup".  That name, plus the use of the Apache OpenOffice logo,
>> >> > > suggests a certain relationship between the website and the
>> >> > > OpenOffice
>> >> > > project which could confuse users.  You can read more about our
>> >> > > trademark policy here:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://openoffice.apache.org/trademarks.html
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Note:  the speed for me was perfect.  No issues.  I'm near Boston.
>> >> > > Jan is in Spain.  I wonder whether that could be part of the issue?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -Rob
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > The effort is much appreciated!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Thanks,
>> >> > > > Sheran
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>
>

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