On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Armin Le Grand <armin.le.gr...@me.com> wrote: > Hi Keith, > > > On 29.08.2013 01:37, Keith Curtis wrote: >> >> I believe it matters how much code comes from IBM. Code coming from >> anywhere is good, but diversity of community is a good measure of health. >> LibreOffice, the Linux kernel, and other groups publish such charts for a >> reason. In AOO, it is hard to find out where everyone works, which can >> confuse many into seeing more diversity than what exists. > > At Apache, every developer acts as an individual, that might be the reason > there are no 'lists' about employee relationships. It is not wanted at > Apache to act in the interest of the company which you are payed for, and > from my POV that's a good and proved thing. Of course it's a 'do-ocracy', so > things which are in the interest of developers get done, simple as that, but > everyone taking place can do just that. People saying there is some > influence could change this immediately by joining themselves and do what > they think is necessary - always without the intent of company influence, as > described above - so this claim is somewhat home-made. Noone can 'control' > an Apache project, that's one of the principles behind it (AFAIU). >
I look at it like this: the important thing is diversity of ideas, openness to ideas, that no one person or company or group of companies or group of persons is dominating a project and excluding others. This is something I think we have done very well with. We have spirited discussions and disagreements on questions of feature and project direction. We do this transparently on this dev mailing list. Our diversity is open for all to see. But some projects never seem to even discuss important questions, at least not publicly, and never seem to have differences of opinions. Where is the diversity there? So I agree that diversity is important, but let's understand what diversity actually means and why it is valuable. The outward form of diversity embedded in a secretive hierarchical monoculture is not really diversity at all. Regards, -Rob >> It is true that the 65M downloads is a reason to work in AOO. However, >> there are many other reasons to choose one or another: >> >> http://mmohrhard.wordpress.com/2013/01/30/why-i-contribute-my-changes-to-libreoffice-and-wont-relicense-them-to-a-non-copyleft-license/Contributors >> don't work with random users, they work with other >> contributors. > > I think he got some stuff unintendedly wrong. Hey may have been asked kindly > if he wants to put some stuff under ALv2 (I see nothing bad about this, the > codebases are nearly the same and one is already massively using stuff from > the other which then stays under ALv2 btw). The claim that it else needs to > be rewritten is surely not a 'pressure' tool, but the consequence of the > used different licenses - noone wants to rewrite code that already exists, > would you? > > For freedom of the community - I have seen concrete requests for > collaboration in specific areas being denied, what is okay. The thing I see > as surprising is that this happened without asking the community or user > base on any list there - something impossible at Apache - 'What did not > happen on the list did not happen'. > > Just my 2 cents... > Sincerely, > Armin > -- > ALG > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
