2013/7/30 Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On 30 July 2013 00:16, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > > > > > Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb: > > > > > >> On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb: > > >>> > > >>> On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I've created a new webpage to offer all possible download links > > for > > >>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>> release version: > > >>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/** > > >>>>>>>> other_tables.html< > > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> see below > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> It's especially important to have a link to checksums for those > who > > >>>>>>> want > > >>>>>>> a "static" reference to it or want to verify a package on a > > different > > >>>>>>> system than the one used for downloading. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> That was one intension, yes. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - all possible downloads for a respective language and OS in a > > single > > >>>>>>>> place > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I foresee another interesting way to use that page, i.e., getting > > >>>>>>> more > > >>>>>>> localization volunteers. Let's get this version online first, but > > >>>>>>> maybe > > >>>>>>> we could then add another table with something like "The > following > > >>>>>>> languages are released only as source code:", and then a list of > > each > > >>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>> the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us release it > (in > > >>>>>>> most > > >>>>>>> cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/** > > >>>>>>> translate.html <http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html> > > >>>>>>> but in some cases it might be different). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions than one > can > > >>>>>> thought. But this is no obstacle. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> @Andrea: > > >>>>>>>> I've already considered your smaller font size wish for the > > checksum > > >>>>>>>> links. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, looks great. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks. :-) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but I expect > to > > >>>>>> use > > >>>>>> lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan to make it > > Live > > >>>>>> at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new "other.html" > in > > a > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> next time. > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Sorry, but I find the page hard to use. > > >>>> > > >>>> Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the > table > > >>>> with them? > > >>>> > > >>>> Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard > > >>>> work finding them amongst all the full installations. > > >>>> > > >>>> I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out > > >>>> something like the following: > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that > > >>> belong > > >>> to a specific language and platform. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user. > > >> > > >> If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed. > > >>> > > >> > > >> It's not the font size. > > >> > > >> Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Well, you are a developer working on OOo. > > >> > > > > > > Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no > > longer > > > relevant as I do this already for years. > > > > > > I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the > > >> software. > > >> > > >> ---------------- [ cut here ] --------------- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ... > > >>>> > > >>>> ---------------- [ cut here ] --------------- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice > to > > >>>> determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with > > >>>> auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only > the > > >>>> installation sets and language packs for that platform. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main > > >>> download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases. > > >>> > > >>> The "other.html" is a kind of fallback when: > > >>> > > >>> a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main > > >>> download > > >>> webpage. > > >>> > > >>> b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's > > >>> language > > >>> / platform. > > >>> > > >> > > >> AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in > > >> which case they already have the base installation. > > >> > > > > > > Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities. > > > > > > As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any > limitations > > >>> to > > >>> give the user the full control to find what he needs. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design. > > >> > > >> And if b) it will help him as well. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Which is where the page design is very important. > > >> > > >> The difference of full installations and language packs is described > > >>> directly above the table by your suggestion. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read. > > >> There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly > > >> relevant to the end user. > > >> > > >> Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation > > >> and no languag packs - is not actually described. > > >> > > > > > > If you think that the text can be better, then please tell me. Based on > > > Apache's famous slogan: Patches are welcome. :-) > > > > > > That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack > > >>>> for the wrong platform. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sorry, but this can also happen in the current "other.html". > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Of course; I was just making a suggestion to improve the page further. > > >> > > > > > > Yes, that's great. However, I'm missing arguments that the new layout > is > > > more confusing than the current one. Maybe you can help here to give us > > > some use cases? > > > > > > I think it would make for a better end-user experience. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I would say: Let the users decide. :-) If we get a reasonable amount > of > > >>> complains then we can go back to different tables. > > >>> > > >> > > > Anything against this? We can change back to the old one at any time. > > > > > @marcus; I for one like the way its done, not need to change back. But I > > assume the old version is kept in svn ? > > > > So lets see if there are compains (which you seem to solve quickly and > > quietly something I really favour). > > > > rgds > > jan I. > > > > > > > I think we should just go live with these new changes. There is more to > this one but I don't think it's more confusing. > > And...we can always go back. >
Or forward! Just go live with the new page and let's see what happens. Personally, I really like the changes. Regards Ricardo > > > > > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org< > > dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > Success is falling nine times and getting up ten." > -- Jon Bon Jovi >
