On 23 April 2013 20:39, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:37 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> On 7 April 2013 00:16, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:19 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > On 6 April 2013 22:21, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > On 6 April 2013 13:37, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:51 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now that our wiki (mwiki) runs smoothly and performs quite > >> > > > > > > well, > >> > it > >> > > > is > >> > > > > > > slowly time to take a look at our other services. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > In order to determine what should/can be done, I need some > >> > figures. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Can anybody help me with traffic figures for > >> > > > > > > wiki.o.o, forum.o.o (total for the vm not per language) > and > >> > > > www.o.o > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Does end-users download directly from www.o.o or from a > >> > > > > > > secondary > >> > > > site > >> > > > > ? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I need the following numbers (if possible): > >> > > > > > > - daily number of clicks (average) > >> > > > > > > - peak number of clicks within a short period like 1 hour > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > From Google Analytics we have: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > For wiki: around 33K page views/day > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > For forums, I have no idea. They are using a Google Analytics > >> > > account > >> > > > ( > >> > > > > > UA-1087265-8) that is not connected with the rest of the > >> > > > > > website. > >> > If > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > > could be updated to match the rest of the website we'd have > >> > > > > > typical > >> > > > > numbers > >> > > > > > in a week. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for your answers, but I am a bit scared you (as a PMC) > tell > >> > > > > me > >> > > > > "they" use an account unknown to us. Who has the forum account ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I have the technical power to change it (sudo access) but if a > PMC > >> > tell > >> > > > we > >> > > > > do no know who owns it, it would not be right just to change it. > >> > > > > Who > >> > > but > >> > > > > the "owner" can authorize a change ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I trust this is a misunderstanding somewhere, it cannot be that > we > >> > run > >> > > a > >> > > > > service, that we do not control, in the sense of change > >> > > > > management. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I assume this is just a legacy account from Sun days. The same GA > >> > > > code > >> > > was > >> > > > used for other OOo-associated web services as well. > >> > > > > >> > > > I raised this issue a year ago on this mailing list: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://markmail.org/thread/mtknhgrwjkajj2ux > >> > > > > >> > > > I'm assuming this is just a "lack of maintenance issue" and we can > >> > > > add > >> > it > >> > > > to the list of other things that need attention. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > Ok, I just wanted to be sure, when I come around to it, I will find > >> > > the > >> > > header page in forum and change. Sadly enough the setup of the forum > >> > > vm > >> > is > >> > > not "a piece of cake", it seems to have gone through quite a lot of > >> > changes > >> > > (but it works and that is important). > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > For the website as a whole (all subdomains tracked) it is around > >> > > 730K/day > >> > > > > > for a peak day. If you subtract out the forum traffic and the > >> > > > downloads > >> > > > > > (which serviced by SourceForge) then the static website is > >> > > > > > probably > >> > > > more > >> > > > > > like 600K/day visits. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Why do I need to subtract forum, I thought they ran as a > separate > >> > dns ? > >> > > > do > >> > > > > we not count on basis of our template (that loads the GA > account). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Sorry, I meant "subtract out the wiki" traffic. GA reports the > >> > > > total > >> > > > traffic for all tracked domains, and then allows filtering by URL > >> > > pattern. > >> > > > So total traffic minus the /wiki/ traffic minus the download > traffic > >> > > gives > >> > > > us the static website traffic. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > ok, got it. > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > So that indirectly answers your other question -- the big > >> > > > > > download > >> > > > files > >> > > > > > are from the SourceForge distribution network. But we do have > >> > > smaller > >> > > > > > downloads, of documentation PDF's. These are mainly from the > >> > > > > > wiki. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > In terms of peaks, our biggest day usually Wednesday, lowest > on > >> > > Sunday. > >> > > > > > The variation there around 200K/visits. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Super just what I need. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hourly peak is around 15K visits for all tracked subdomains > >> > together. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Do you know the division between mwiki, forum and www ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I can't seem to filter on the GA screen that gives hourly detail, > so > >> > > > I > >> > > only > >> > > > see the count cross-subdomain. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Note: for all of these I'm talking about "pages", where a > >> > > > > > single > >> > > page > >> > > > > > could include several HTTP calls, for the HTML, the > Javascript, > >> > > images, > >> > > > > > etc. Since anyone with Javascript not enabled would not > >> > > > > > register, > >> > > the > >> > > > > > actual numbers are probably a little bit higher than this. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Good point, that is very important for a a traffic server, where > >> > > > > e.g. > >> > > > > javascripts would be cached. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > We might be able to get the httpd logs from Infra, in which case > we > >> > could > >> > > > do more traditional traffic stats > >> > > > >> > > I have the httpd logs for forum and mwiki, but I miss a tool to make > >> > proper > >> > > statistic. I have asked in the httpd channel, but no luck. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I use a commercial tool called WebLog Expert. I'm happy to run a > report > >> > on > >> > the logs if they are accessible. > >> > > >> > >> Thx, I will see if the log can come down to a size where I can transport > >> them. > >> > > > > I'm happy to scp them as well, whatever works for you. > > > >> > >> Forum is now changed to our main GA account, and I changed all the > >> language > >> forums as well, can you please check that we get GA data (I assume you > >> have > >> to wait 24 hours or something). > >> > > > > Data is starting to come through, 52169 page views yesterday, across > > languages. > > > > > >> > >> Lets see in a week or so, if my assumption is correct (that mwiki and > >> forum > >> have the same usage pattern). > >> > > > > We've had a couple of weeks of GA on the Forums, so here is what I'm > seeing: > > Forums: Peak is 72K pages per day, low 42K per day (weekend) > > Wiki: Peak is 32K pages per day, low 20K per day > > So looks like a 2:1 ratio. >
Less than what I expected, but thx a lot for the numbers !! rgds jan I. > > -Rob > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > >> > >> As a side remark, I can really understand the complains there have been > >> about the problems with the forum. While I did my part, apache ran > >> constant > >> with more work tasks, than configured mysql connections and the vm was > >> real > >> busy (which is good, since it means we have active users). > >> > > > > I know what you mean. I used to do performance work for IBM Websphere > > Portal products. 80% of it was tuning the various thread pools and work > > queues. 10% of it was DB tuning. The other 10% was black magic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Rob > > > > > >> > >> Have a nice day/evening. > >> > >> rgds > >> jan I. > >> > >> > > >> > -Rob > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > . > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I am trying to convince Infra, that we should have a common > >> > > trafficserver > >> > > > > for wiki and forum (and maybe www). Currently we use eresbus as > >> > proxy, > >> > > > and > >> > > > > all packets are forwarded to the ooo-wiki2-vm where that > >> > trafficserver > >> > > > > filters cached pages. Forum goes direct to httpd, so every > packet > >> > > causes > >> > > > > mysql activity. If we had a trafficserver in eresbus, we would > for > >> > > wiki2 > >> > > > > save loads of network traffic and for forum network traffic as > >> > > > > well > >> > as > >> > > > > mysql activity. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > In any case, one approach would be to enable GA for the > Forums, > >> > track > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > > for a week or two and then compare that to the Wiki numbers. > If > >> > the > >> > > > > stacks > >> > > > > > are similar, then we could think of the traffic ratio between > >> > > > > > the > >> > two > >> > > > and > >> > > > > > tune based on that. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I agree, but not being PMC, I do not feel I am in the position > to > >> > > "just" > >> > > > > make that change. Who "owns" the forum, they should authorize > such > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > change. I can make the change (provided you tell give me the GA > >> > > > > line > >> > to > >> > > > > insert) when I am sure I am not doing a change that someone else > >> > depend > >> > > > on. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I've certainly raised the issue on the list previously and there > >> > > > were > >> > no > >> > > > objections. If you have access let me know offline and I can > give > >> > > > you > >> > > the > >> > > > codes. > >> > > > > >> > > > Note that this root page is not in the Apache CMS. It doesn't > look > >> > > > phpBB-related so there might be a static page out there on that > host > >> > that > >> > > > would need to be updated manually: http://forum.openoffice.org/ > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > thx for the info. > >> > > > >> > > rgds > >> > > Jan I. > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would like to tune at least forum before we release 4.0 to > >> > > prepare > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > higher load. Tuning of www depend on a discussion with > infra, > >> > > because > >> > > > > it > >> > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > a shared service. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > If it is like the release of 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 we'll get a few > hot > >> > > pages: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1) The announcement blog post. With both 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 > >> > > > > > releases > >> > > > these > >> > > > > > were heavily linked to by the press. Roller went down in the > >> > > > > > 3.4.1 > >> > > > case. > >> > > > > > I don't know if that was due to the traffic or not. But we > >> > > > > > might > >> > > want > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > plan on having the announcement post be a static webpage just > to > >> > > > > > be > >> > > > sure. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The blog post is on the general apache server and not our www, > is > >> > that > >> > > > > correct ? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Correct. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2) The homepage and http://www.openoffice.org/download page > will > >> > be > >> > > > hot. > >> > > > > > You can see from the download chart the boost we get when a > new > >> > > release > >> > > > > > occurs: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html (AOO > >> > 3.4.0 > >> > > > was > >> > > > > > May > >> > > > > > 8th 2012 and AOO 3.4.1 was Aug 23rd). > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > That is a real obvious case for trafficserver, and until it is > in > >> > > place I > >> > > > > can ask to have the httpd use memcached (which it might be > >> > > > > already). > >> > > > > Currently the www is on a general apache server, so I need > strong > >> > > > arguments > >> > > > > to make changes (high load is a strong argument) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Translate-vm also needs tunings, but that is in progress, > and > >> > infra > >> > > > has > >> > > > > > > been very kind and prepared an extra vm, so we/I > install/tune > >> > > without > >> > > > > > > affecting the active system. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > thx in advance for figures. > >> > > > > > > rgds > >> > > > > > > jan I. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > THANKS a lot for your answer, which help me a lot doing calc.. > >> > > > > Sorry > >> > > for > >> > > > > being frank about the forum, but it really make me nervous that > we > >> > > have a > >> > > > > service where part it unknown. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > rgds > >> > > > > Jan I > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
