On 8 April 2013 20:04, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:37 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > On 7 April 2013 00:16, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:19 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > On 6 April 2013 22:21, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 April 2013 13:37, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 5:51 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that our wiki (mwiki) runs smoothly and performs quite > > well, > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > slowly time to take a look at our other services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to determine what should/can be done, I need some > > > figures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anybody help me with traffic figures for > > > > > > > > wiki.o.o, forum.o.o (total for the vm not per language) > and > > > > > www.o.o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does end-users download directly from www.o.o or from a > > secondary > > > > > site > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need the following numbers (if possible): > > > > > > > > - daily number of clicks (average) > > > > > > > > - peak number of clicks within a short period like 1 hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Google Analytics we have: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For wiki: around 33K page views/day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For forums, I have no idea. They are using a Google Analytics > > > > account > > > > > ( > > > > > > > UA-1087265-8) that is not connected with the rest of the > website. > > > If > > > > > > that > > > > > > > could be updated to match the rest of the website we'd have > > typical > > > > > > numbers > > > > > > > in a week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your answers, but I am a bit scared you (as a PMC) > tell > > me > > > > > > "they" use an account unknown to us. Who has the forum account ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the technical power to change it (sudo access) but if a > PMC > > > tell > > > > > we > > > > > > do no know who owns it, it would not be right just to change it. > > Who > > > > but > > > > > > the "owner" can authorize a change ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this is a misunderstanding somewhere, it cannot be that > we > > > run > > > > a > > > > > > service, that we do not control, in the sense of change > management. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume this is just a legacy account from Sun days. The same GA > > code > > > > was > > > > > used for other OOo-associated web services as well. > > > > > > > > > > I raised this issue a year ago on this mailing list: > > > > > > > > > > http://markmail.org/thread/mtknhgrwjkajj2ux > > > > > > > > > > I'm assuming this is just a "lack of maintenance issue" and we can > > add > > > it > > > > > to the list of other things that need attention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I just wanted to be sure, when I come around to it, I will find > the > > > > header page in forum and change. Sadly enough the setup of the forum > vm > > > is > > > > not "a piece of cake", it seems to have gone through quite a lot of > > > changes > > > > (but it works and that is important). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the website as a whole (all subdomains tracked) it is around > > > > 730K/day > > > > > > > for a peak day. If you subtract out the forum traffic and the > > > > > downloads > > > > > > > (which serviced by SourceForge) then the static website is > > probably > > > > > more > > > > > > > like 600K/day visits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do I need to subtract forum, I thought they ran as a separate > > > dns ? > > > > > do > > > > > > we not count on basis of our template (that loads the GA > account). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I meant "subtract out the wiki" traffic. GA reports the > total > > > > > traffic for all tracked domains, and then allows filtering by URL > > > > pattern. > > > > > So total traffic minus the /wiki/ traffic minus the download > traffic > > > > gives > > > > > us the static website traffic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So that indirectly answers your other question -- the big > > download > > > > > files > > > > > > > are from the SourceForge distribution network. But we do have > > > > smaller > > > > > > > downloads, of documentation PDF's. These are mainly from the > > wiki. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In terms of peaks, our biggest day usually Wednesday, lowest on > > > > Sunday. > > > > > > > The variation there around 200K/visits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Super just what I need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hourly peak is around 15K visits for all tracked subdomains > > > together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the division between mwiki, forum and www ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't seem to filter on the GA screen that gives hourly detail, > so > > I > > > > only > > > > > see the count cross-subdomain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: for all of these I'm talking about "pages", where a > single > > > > page > > > > > > > could include several HTTP calls, for the HTML, the Javascript, > > > > images, > > > > > > > etc. Since anyone with Javascript not enabled would not > > register, > > > > the > > > > > > > actual numbers are probably a little bit higher than this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point, that is very important for a a traffic server, where > > e.g. > > > > > > javascripts would be cached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We might be able to get the httpd logs from Infra, in which case we > > > could > > > > > do more traditional traffic stats > > > > > > > > I have the httpd logs for forum and mwiki, but I miss a tool to make > > > proper > > > > statistic. I have asked in the httpd channel, but no luck. > > > > > > > > > > > I use a commercial tool called WebLog Expert. I'm happy to run a > report > > on > > > the logs if they are accessible. > > > > > > > Thx, I will see if the log can come down to a size where I can transport > > them. > > > > > I'm happy to scp them as well, whatever works for you. > > > > Forum is now changed to our main GA account, and I changed all the > language > > forums as well, can you please check that we get GA data (I assume you > have > > to wait 24 hours or something). > > > > > Data is starting to come through, 52169 page views yesterday, across > languages. > > > > > Lets see in a week or so, if my assumption is correct (that mwiki and > forum > > have the same usage pattern). > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > As a side remark, I can really understand the complains there have been > > about the problems with the forum. While I did my part, apache ran > constant > > with more work tasks, than configured mysql connections and the vm was > real > > busy (which is good, since it means we have active users). > > > > > I know what you mean. I used to do performance work for IBM Websphere > Portal products. 80% of it was tuning the various thread pools and work > queues. 10% of it was DB tuning. The other 10% was black magic. >
Do I hear a new volunteer...could for sure use a hand. The 10% black magic is exactly the difference between reading the manual (like most do) and really doing the job. Is anyone considering giving wiki/www/forum a facelift parallel to the launch of 4.0. We should really make them more look alike and a lot more moden. If we look at other similar products they have much more modern looks. thx for the numbers. rgds jan I. > Regards, > > -Rob > > > > > Have a nice day/evening. > > > > rgds > > jan I. > > > > > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to convince Infra, that we should have a common > > > > trafficserver > > > > > > for wiki and forum (and maybe www). Currently we use eresbus as > > > proxy, > > > > > and > > > > > > all packets are forwarded to the ooo-wiki2-vm where that > > > trafficserver > > > > > > filters cached pages. Forum goes direct to httpd, so every packet > > > > causes > > > > > > mysql activity. If we had a trafficserver in eresbus, we would > for > > > > wiki2 > > > > > > save loads of network traffic and for forum network traffic as > well > > > as > > > > > > mysql activity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, one approach would be to enable GA for the Forums, > > > track > > > > > > that > > > > > > > for a week or two and then compare that to the Wiki numbers. > If > > > the > > > > > > stacks > > > > > > > are similar, then we could think of the traffic ratio between > the > > > two > > > > > and > > > > > > > tune based on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, but not being PMC, I do not feel I am in the position to > > > > "just" > > > > > > make that change. Who "owns" the forum, they should authorize > such > > a > > > > > > change. I can make the change (provided you tell give me the GA > > line > > > to > > > > > > insert) when I am sure I am not doing a change that someone else > > > depend > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've certainly raised the issue on the list previously and there > were > > > no > > > > > objections. If you have access let me know offline and I can give > > you > > > > the > > > > > codes. > > > > > > > > > > Note that this root page is not in the Apache CMS. It doesn't look > > > > > phpBB-related so there might be a static page out there on that > host > > > that > > > > > would need to be updated manually: http://forum.openoffice.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > thx for the info. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to tune at least forum before we release 4.0 to > > > > prepare > > > > > > for > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > higher load. Tuning of www depend on a discussion with infra, > > > > because > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a shared service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is like the release of 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 we'll get a few > hot > > > > pages: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The announcement blog post. With both 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 > > releases > > > > > these > > > > > > > were heavily linked to by the press. Roller went down in the > > 3.4.1 > > > > > case. > > > > > > > I don't know if that was due to the traffic or not. But we > might > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > plan on having the announcement post be a static webpage just > to > > be > > > > > sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The blog post is on the general apache server and not our www, is > > > that > > > > > > correct ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The homepage and http://www.openoffice.org/download page > will > > > be > > > > > hot. > > > > > > > You can see from the download chart the boost we get when a new > > > > release > > > > > > > occurs: http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html (AOO > > > 3.4.0 > > > > > was > > > > > > > May > > > > > > > 8th 2012 and AOO 3.4.1 was Aug 23rd). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a real obvious case for trafficserver, and until it is in > > > > place I > > > > > > can ask to have the httpd use memcached (which it might be > > already). > > > > > > Currently the www is on a general apache server, so I need strong > > > > > arguments > > > > > > to make changes (high load is a strong argument) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Translate-vm also needs tunings, but that is in progress, and > > > infra > > > > > has > > > > > > > > been very kind and prepared an extra vm, so we/I install/tune > > > > without > > > > > > > > affecting the active system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thx in advance for figures. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > > > jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS a lot for your answer, which help me a lot doing calc.. > > Sorry > > > > for > > > > > > being frank about the forum, but it really make me nervous that > we > > > > have a > > > > > > service where part it unknown. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Jan I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
