On 4/16/13 9:42 AM, Herbert Dürr wrote: > On 2013/04/16 9:12 AM, Andre Fischer wrote: >> On 15.04.2013 18:12, Herbert Dürr wrote: >>> On 2013/04/15 4:00 PM, Andre Fischer wrote: >>>> I would like to change the build type of the Windows7 nightly build >>>> from >>>> incremental to clean. >>>> >>>> Reasons in favor of a clean build are: >>>> >>>> - Developers don't have to know if a change is incompatible and thus >>>> have to (somehow) trigger a clean build. >>>> >>>> - Developers don't have to learn how to trigger a clean build. >>>> >>>> - We avoid very subtle bugs that are introduced when an incremental >>>> build is made on incompatible changes. >>>> Issues 122047 and 122048 may be caused by such a broken build: the >>>> office works in general, only commands are mapped to the wrong ids. >>>> It is not acceptable to have builds that we can not rely on. >>> >>> I'm having a deja vue moment ;-) >>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/lpprmeahwurvepx5 >> >> No, this thread does not apply. It was centered on the idea to change >> the bootstrap file and thus to affect every build, not just the ones on >> the buildbot. I don't want to change any files in SVN, only the >> buildbot setup. > > The central suggestion was to default to a clean build because of the > observation that dependencies currently don't work reliably which > results in artifacts that are not reproducible and waste a lot of time > was a direct hit. > > It is clear that the cleaning has to be somewhere between configure and > the build steps. Where exactly was almost irrelevant. Bootstrap was only > suggested because it is the only step between configure and the actual > build. The "build --clean" suggested by Oliver had the problem that a > simple build restart, e.g. after one of the infamous dmake failures, > should not accidentally delete all the work already done. > >> I am thankful for your and Andrew's work but you describe a problem with >> the current process, not with clean builds. > > I prefer clean builds too and now that I'm hearing Andrew that is happy > with the change I'm all the happier with that. I already did it weeks > ago for the snapshot builds a couple of weeks ago which resulted in some > (minor) opposition then ;-) > >> BTW, was that a -1 or a 0 to my proposal? > > It was a support vote for Andrew's evaluation of the situation who quite > clearly described why he liked the incremental build.
I am in favor of a clean build to ensure a reliable result. If we have problems we have to solve the problems. I built the Windows snapshot yesterday in 2h12min and it was a clean fresh checkout built with "built --all -P2 -- -P2". No single build breaker. Juergen > > Herbert > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
