A. I was able to install Symphony 3.0.1 and the Fix Pack 2. I also
have obtained the rcplauncher.log, which is rather interesting.
B. When you are able to get Symphony operating, there is a feature
that will be interesting to understand the accessibility of. There is
a sidebar on the right of the Symphony window that includes a variety
of dialogs and a way to select among them. This is also a feature that
is being worked up for Apache OpenOffice 4.x.
C. For the record, here is what an rcplauncher.log looks like. I have
broken up the long lines (with "\"s) to make it more readable.
It would be useful to see what the rcplauncher.log you are getting
looks like.
My notes on how I installed Symphony 3.0.1 are in (D) below all of this.
CWPNL0030I: rcplauncher wmain arguments="C:\Program \
Files\IBM\Lotus\Symphony\framework\rcp\rcplauncher.exe,\
-config, symphony,
CWPNL0303I: lock file captured @ 20130317_124331_949
CWPNL0090E: Existing platform lock file found - checking validity.
CWPNL0304I: We are main process
CWPNL0021I: VM specified is "C:/Program \
Files/IBM/Lotus/Symphony/framework/rcp/eclipse/plugins/\
com.ibm.rcp.j2se.win32.x86_1.6.0.20110714a-201108151128/\
jre/bin/classic/jvm.dll"
CWPNL0077I: loading jvm.properties at "C:/Program \
Files/IBM/Lotus/Symphony/framework/rcp/eclipse/plugins/\
com.ibm.rcp.j2se.win32.x86_1.6.0.20110714a-201108151128/\
jvm.properties"
CWPNL0072I: Command = '"C:/Program \
Files/IBM/Lotus/Symphony/framework/rcp/eclipse/plugins/\
com.ibm.rcp.base_6.2.3.20110915-1350\win32\x86\symphony.exe" \
--launcher.suppressErrors "-name" "IBM Lotus Symphony" -personality \
"com.ibm.productivity.tools.standalone.personality" -product \
"com.ibm.symphony.standard.branding.symphony" \
"-com.ibm.symphony.standard.branding#process_args_command" \
"-homepage" -data "C:\Users\orcmid/IBM/Lotus/Symphony" \
-configuration "C:\Users\orcmid/IBM/Lotus/Symphony/.config" \
[ ... more lengthy detail omitted ... ]
CWPNL0306I: lock file released @ 20130317_124334_002
D. Here's the log of my experience:
1. I used HTTP download in all cases, not the IBM downloader. All
downloads were to file folders, without opening or running.
2. I downloaded an additional spell-checker (Italian) but chose
not to install it.
3. I then started the 3.0.1 install by double-clicking the down-
loaded .exe file. I checked to see where intermediate files
were stored. Up to where the Software License Agreement was
presented by the Installation Wizard, I saw nothing anywhere
but in my user Temp folder.
4. I accepted the default location for installation (in
C:\Program Files\IBM\Lotus\Symphony\).
5. I accepted the recommendation concerning file extensions.
6. During the install I noticed that the "features" are identified
by Java-style identifiers and I saw what might have been a Java
dependency or two.
7. The install ended successfully. I elected to Open Lotus Symphony
when clicking "Finish".
8. First run was a bit slow. A recommendation to Get and install
the Fix Pack came up. I closed Symphony instead, in preparation
for installing the Fix Pack I had already downloaded.
9. I did see Users/orcmid/IBM/Lotus/Symphony/ in my file system
now. That's an odd place to put AppData, but no big deal.
10. I checked the rcplauncher.log and found it interesting. I have
the impression that Lotus Symphony runs a Java Virtual Machine
(JVM) internally. That may be inaccurate, but it is what it
looks like.
11. I restarted Vista first, to ensure that the 3.0.1 install was
fully completed.
12. When the Fix Pack 2 InstallShield Wizard warned that Symphony should
not be running, I saw that symphony was in the system tray. It
went away but I am not sure I did anything to make that happen
[;<). (Too busy making notes while installing, distracted myself.)
13. The Fix Pack 2 installation completed without incident.
14. I restarted once again.
15. After restarting, double-clicking on the IBM Lotus Symphony icon
on my desktop produced no result.
16. In the Task Manager, I see that symphony.exe is a running process.
I ended the process.
17. Now Symphony started on double-click (slow again). The system
tray now holds the running quick-starter, which just appeared.
Symphony is offering me a Cloud plug-in and I am not taking the
option.
18. I created a little "Hello World" document (.odt) and saved it
successfully.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:03
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: 'Waldorf PC'
Subject: RE: Problems with Accessibility in Open Office
Reina,
I am going to attempt a fresh install of Symphony to see if I can
duplicate the problem. I will be installing on Windows Vista (x86)
in a Virtual Machine. It has no Java installed. I will remove
OpenOffice 3.4.0 and also perform a full security scan
before I install Symphony.
I think you said you are using Windows 7. Is that correct?
I am going to download from this site:
<http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home>.
I will download Lotus Symphony 3.0.1,
the Fixpack 2 for Lotus Symphony 3.0.1 (it might not be a full
install),
the Spell Check Dictionaries.
I'll perform the installation in that order.
If there is some interference involving other software, I may not
have the same experience as you. I will have Microsoft Security
Essentials and Windows Defender active, however.
I have no accessibility software installed or activated on the
system.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Waldorf PC [mailto:waldor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 00:51
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Problems with Accessibility in Open Office
Hello:
I tried twice to download Symphony, and I am running into
complications. Both times, I have received the following error:
---------------------------
IBM Lotus Symphony
---------------------------
The launcher failed with an error. Refer to
C:\Users\Reina\IBM\Lotus\Symphony\\logs\rcplauncher.log for more
information.
---------------------------
OK
I did click on the “okay” button, and the installation continued. I
did, and the window containing the installer closed automatically.
Then, I tried clicking on the program from my desktop and my start
menu; however, the program did not open. I can try to troubleshoot it
when I have a lot of time; however, I am wondering if there are any
tips you or Dennis can offer for trying to get the program to work. I
will try whatever you can offer me.
I have also tried uninstalling this program from my computer, but it
does not show up in my control panel. If I need to remove it, and it
is possible I will need to because it is not working properly, I will
have to remove Symphony manually using more extensive methods.
I look forward to getting this program to work, so I can analyze it
and provide my input to you, since you will be using much of this
code.
Warm regards,
Reina Grosvalet
On 3/15/13, Waldorf PC <waldor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rob:
>
> I wish I had seen your message before I saw Dennis's. I will merely
> disregard Open Office 3 and check out what you have sent me in this
> email. Let me know when you wish for me to do my testing and
> reporting, and I will be happy to perform these tasks. I assume it
> will be okay for me to send these test cases to the list? Please let
> me know.
>
> Thank you so much for everything.
>
> Warm regards,
> Reina Grosvalet
>
> On 3/15/13, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Waldorf PC <waldor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi there:
>>>
>>> You are correct about the limited functionality of the JAVA Access
>>> Bridge, hence the reason it is never recommended to developers by 508
>>> compliance analysts as an accessibility fix. The intensions were good
>>> when developing thebridge, but it is not a good fix.
>>>
>>> When I am done my work for the day, I can write up a detailed
>>> explanation concerning what works in terms of accessibility, like how
>>> to make a UI that is compatible with assistive technologies. I will be
>>> happy to do that for you.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Reina,
>>
>> Testing or reporting on what OpenOffice 3.4.1 does today is probably
>> not very useful since we're moving over to an entirely different
>> approach. IBM contributed the source code for their Lotus Symphony
>> product, and we're integrating the IAccesible2 support from that. A
>> great deal of analysis was done at IBM before they did that work. So
>> a good preview of the support we should end up with in the end is what
>> Symphony has today:
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home
>>
>> Of course, we'll probably introduce some bugs while we are porting
>> that code over to OpenOffice. So testing of the 4.0 and 4.1 version
>> of OpenOffice, before we release it, will be key.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Reina Grosvalet
>>>
>>> On 3/15/13, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/13 4:38 PM, Waldorf PC wrote:
>>>>> Hi there:
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what you are saying is that I will need to use the JAVA
>>>>> Accessibility API along with that Open Office application? Honestly,
>>>>> native controls work much better for assistive technologies. I am not
>>>>> sure how much your developers are familiar with coding for
>>>>> accessibility; however, there are some specific things that can be
>>>>> done if you want your application to use its own UI rather than native
>>>>> controls.
>>>>
>>>> Java Accessibility is what we had today and which has limited
>>>> functionality. That is the reason why we work on the IAccessibility2
>>>> integration.
>>>>
>>>> It makes more sense to focus on this and I am sure your knowledge and
>>>> experience will be of big help for us when we have more to test for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried using function f6 upon opening the application, but i had no
>>>>> such luck. I still cannot choose the template I want, like the writing
>>>>> document or spread sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> i thank you so much for your diligence with this matter. You guys are
>>>>> so great! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/13, Joost Andrae <joost.and...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Reina,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My name is Reina Grosvalet, and I am displeased about the fact that
>>>>>>> Open Office is not accessible for blind computer users, as this
>>>>>>> program does not work with screen reading and other assistive
>>>>>>> technologies. Blind people, just like everyone else, want a free
>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>> processing option that works just as well as MS Office. Blind
>>>>>>> freelancers can especially benefit from your program
>>>>>>> beingaccessible,
>>>>>>> as well as blind entrepreneurs, students and professionals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of the tools you're using with MS Office don't work well with
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> programs that use it's own UI controls instead of native controls.
>>>>>> OpenOffice currently exposes it's information to accessive technology
>>>>>> via Java Accessibility API on Windows and via GNOME Accessibility API
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> Linux/Solaris with GNOME and on Mac via NSAcessibility. Some
>>>>>> developers
>>>>>> here are currently working on support for IAccessible2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAccessible2
>>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Accessibility/IAccessible2_support
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a look here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/ui/accessibility/at-support.html
>>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Accessibility
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I am a certified 508 Compliance Analyst, I can provide
>>>>>>> detailed feedback concerninghow you can make your program one
>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>> percent accessible, so the millions of blind computer users around
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world will be able to benefit from it along with everyone else. If
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> need proof of my certificates, I will be glad to send them to you. A
>>>>>>> plus is that I am also totally blind, so I can provide feedback from
>>>>>>> the point of view of someone who is blind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in order to give you an idea of some of the problems I see, I am
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to provide you with a mini report below. this report states:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. The installer has buttons that are clearly labeled with text that
>>>>>>> can be clearly accessed using keyboard navigation. this is a plus
>>>>>>> because a blind computer user is able to successfully install the
>>>>>>> program on his or her computer without any sighted help.
>>>>>>> 2. The buttons in the installer all have corresponding access keys,
>>>>>>> like alt+n for next and alt+f for finish. This is very helpful for
>>>>>>> screen reader users and for those who use assistive technologies
>>>>>>> because these access keys allow such users to complete functions
>>>>>>> quickly.
>>>>>>> 3. Upon opening the program, however, i notice that a blind computer
>>>>>>> user is not able to access any of its functions using keyboard
>>>>>>> navigation. the blind user cannot select the type of template heor
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> wishes to use, like a spreadssheet or text document. Drop down menus
>>>>>>> cannot be accessed using any form of keyboard navigation, like using
>>>>>>> the alt key to access the menus like in the windows operating
>>>>>>> system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use funktion key F6 to toggle between the menu, menu bar and tool
>>>>>> bars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as soon as you contact me, I can construct a detailed report that
>>>>>>> contains each problem I see as well as provide detailed fixes to
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> problems. It is my hope that Open Office becomes completely
>>>>>>> accessible, so people with disabilities can utilize this software
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> enjoy its benefits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards, Joost
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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