On 18 January 2013 19:25, 依瑪貓 <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw> wrote:
> On 2013/01/19 00:24, Donald Whytock said:
> > FWIW, my company for the longest time firewall-blocked anything of the
> > form *.openoffice.org ("Freeware/shareware"). This despite the fact
> > that I could reach Sourceforge, *.apache.org, etc., and despite the
> > fact that we use pieces of OO.
> >
> > So my personal preference would be to at least keep a means of
> > reaching the forum and wiki via apache.org. Perhaps I'm the only one
> > with this issue, or perhaps it's relatively rare, but still my take is
> > that more options is better.
>
> You may try ooo-wiki.apache.org and ooo-forums.apache.org instead.
> These two host names are not redirected to wiki.openoffice.org and
> forums.openoffice.org.
>
Did you mean that ? both are redirected !
rgds
Jan I.
>
> >
> > Don
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM, imacat <ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw>
> wrote:
> >> Considering forums.openoffice.org altogether, I would vote for
> >> wiki.openoffice.org instead of wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>
> >> 1. The existing community is built on this current host name. It would
> >> only confuse the community to change it. This is especially true that
> >> we have changed it just recently.
> >>
> >> 2. It causes trouble to forward discussion thread URLs, pages when the
> >> host name is long.
> >>
> >> On 2013/01/15 06:12, Rob Weir said:
> >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 14, 2013 10:52 PM, "Rob Weir" <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:09 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I want to inform the community about an ongoing discussion in Infra
> >>>>>> regarding the use of "wiki.openoffice.org" or "
> >>>> wiki.openoffice.apache.org"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Background: We decided sometime ago to let me upgrade mwiki, which I
> >>>> did,
> >>>>>> with great help from many in here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> After that there has been a relatively high load on the VM (very
> >>>> positive)
> >>>>>> and bi-daily kernel panics due to lack of resources.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It was then decided to make a new VM with a new ubuntu, instead of
> an
> >>>>>> upgrade in place (to get rid of the kernel panic) which I deemed
> risky
> >>>> due
> >>>>>> to the state (and documentation) of the installation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have completed the work with the new VM, and we were ready to
> transfer
> >>>>>> the live site.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At that point I learned about plans of using https instead of http.
> >>>>>> Infra-root has a policy that all logins (not only for committers)
> >>>> should be
> >>>>>> done through https.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Using https, requires a certificate, and the ongoing discussion is
> >>>> whether
> >>>>>> "*.openoffice.org" is really needed or if "*.openoffice.apache.org"
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be ok.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I have understood the details correctly (sorry for being vague,
> but I
> >>>>>> have not been able to get a clear answer), the users would address
> >>>> https:
> >>>>>> wiki.openoffice.org or http:wiki.openoffice.org and get a response
> as
> >>>> https:
> >>>>>> ooo-wiki.openoffice.org or https:ooo-wiki.openoffice.apache.org.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IMHO renaming goes in the wrong direction. I think we should be
> >>>>> looking to get the entire website on to one domain, either all on
> >>>>> openoffice.org or all on openoffice.apache.org. Splitting things
> up
> >>>>> is confusing for users, makes extra work for us (and for Infra),
> >>>>> confuses the hell out of Google Analytics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd really like to see everything under one domain, including our
> blog
> >>>>> and even CWiki (or migrate CWiki over to MWiki).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's my ideal. Is it impossible?
> >>>> it is highly possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> I thought converting cwiki was taken off the table. we discussed it
> earlier
> >>>> and said it should be after the upgrade. since then no one on the
> mwiki
> >>>> side have volunteered.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I didn't mean to convert or migrate now, as part of the present
> >>> set of activities. I meant longer term it would be good to get under
> >>> a single domain.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have written/mailed several times that openoffice.org is a
> legacy,
> >>>> very
> >>>>>> important to AOO, and hope it has been understood. The latest
> discussion
> >>>>>> seems to go in the direction of getting a certificate for
> openoffice.org
> >>>> ,
> >>>>>> but there are no guarantees.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is the issue cost? We could do a mini-fundraising plea on our
> >>>>> homepage. I bet we could raise the necessary funds for the
> >>>>> certificate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note: If I understand the security concern with the login, aren't we
> >>>>> in the same issue with the phpBB forums? Would a single cert be able
> >>>>> to cover that as well? Or do we need one cert per subdomain?
> >>>>
> >>>> for some reason there seems to be resistence against wildcard cert,
> even
> >>>> though apache.org is a wildcard.
> >>>>
> >>>> latest news is that the https discussion has been postponed, so we at
> least
> >>>> can get a stable server.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I have informed infra, that I cannot participate in works that
> causes a
> >>>> url
> >>>>>> name change, without having a green light from the AOO community.
> >>>> Meaning
> >>>>>> that I am now just monitoring what happens and not participating.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am sorry to have partly caused the current situation, I wanted to
> >>>> make a
> >>>>>> clean installation to make the VM easier to maintain, had I not done
> >>>> that,
> >>>>>> the https discussion would problaly never have surfaced.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have no deadline for the change, mainly because it is done by
> others,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>> I am convinced that Infra will end with a solution that the
> community
> >>>> can
> >>>>>> accept.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please take this as information, I cannot go into a discussion on
> >>>> behalf of
> >>>>>> Infra (I am not infra, but we do have other committers that are
> infra).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rgds
> >>>>>> jan I.
> >>
> >>
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