On 8 December 2012 00:34, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> > wrote: > > On 04/12/2012 Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >> We should introduce a disconnect here, to avoid 1 million > >> uses in Poland ignoring your easily ignored caveat and overwhelming > >> the people.apache.org server. > If I may say so, the disconnect is already in place for the danish translation....and I am sure none of us like it. The danish forum has one simple solution, download LO. What is better that the people server get swammed (which might lead to a change in policy) or users give up !
> > > > > > This specific issue has now been solved by invoking policy (so, we will > be > > able to put builds on people.apache.org but we won't link to them from > the > > main website), but the problem is not here. The problem is that we have > had > > a Polish translation ready for months and that we haven't released it yet > > (even though recent improvements are really huge and will allow to avoid > > long waits in future). > +1, 2 of the 3 danish volunteers (not including me) have more or less stopped working due to demotivation...we have not even been able to provide them with a running version to test their work until very recently. > > > > So why haven't we released the Polish translation? I agree that is a > problem, but not one that requires policy to change to solve. > > Maybe releases under incubation were a pain the ass. But the are > relatively easy now. We should try it sometime... > > > In general, and coming back to the main thread topic, if we have > millions of > > people who look for a certain language, we can find volunteers for that > > language, and your brilliant idea to put notices on the native-language > > websites proves it. So the problem is how to use our volunteers > effectively > > and motivate them. Ideally, I would like that it doesn't take more than > two > > months between the moment someone volunteers to complete a language and > the > > official availability of a build including his work. > > > > Ergo, release more often. This does not require any policy changes. > It just requires that we release more often. > or at least just release of the language pack, which should be a lot easier to vote on (if needed). > > > If we try to motivate volunteers and to understand where the obstacles > are, > > we can probably make the "all languages" build virtually useless, since > all > > relevant languages will have been covered. I've just started a > discussion on > > ooo-l10n to check the status of the 19 extra translations for which > someone > > volunteered so far. I hope that this will also help in finding if the > > current policy can be improved: after all, OpenOffice has (probably) more > > committers than any other Apache project, it accounts for 40% of all > Apache > > web traffic (downloads excluded!) and if we identify clear problems with > the > > policy we can definitely initiate changes to it. > > > > We just need to do some very simple things: > > 1) When a translation is ready we need to test it. > This should be, check pootle server review status, and have one volunteer send an e-mail, that the translation is ok. > > 2) When it is tested, we need to create 1) a source bundle containing > the changed source files, and a 2) a set of binary packages containing > the new installs. > > 3) We have a 72 hour vote on the incremental source package > > 4) If the vote passes then we put the new binaries on SourceForge, put > the new source bundle on the Apache mirrors, update the website and > send out an announcement. > +1 to you procedure. > > This is not hard. Maybe some one-time upfront work to create > incremental language source bundles on demand. It is certainly > simpler than trying to get a policy change. > > Maybe it would help if someone volunteered to be Release Manager for > language releases between our numbered functional releases? Then one > person can focus on the major builds, while another person focuses on > getting out these incremental translations. > If I can get help to get started, I would like to volunteer for that part. > > I think we can go a lot faster on new languages, but IMHO there is no > policy holding us back. It is just work. > > -Rob > > > Regards, > > Andrea. >
