+1 any abandonment of a commercial tool.
+1 to the analysis as well.

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 1:26 PM Elliotte Rusty Harold <elh...@ibiblio.org>
wrote:

> All third party proprietary systems not owned by the Apache Project
> come with risks, Github and Jira included. However Slack strikes me as
> particularly bad.
>
> 1. It breaks the web architecture with unstable URLs.
>
> 2. The privacy practices are unclear, unstable, and user hostile.
> Using Slack requires not just agreeing to the Apache Project's terms
> (which are quite reasonable) but an extensive legal agreement which
> Slack claims to be able to unilaterally and retroactively change at
> their whim.
>
> 3. Slack is just ugly and hard to use compared to email or Jira.
>
> OK, #3 is IMHO but #1 is bad and and #2 is awful. It's also painful to
> have to check multiple locations to figure out what's going on.
>
> I've used Slack when I'm paid to, but otherwise I avoid it these days,
> including in open source development. It's just too painful and it's
> been getting worse over time.
>
> I'd like to propose that we simply stop using Slack for project wide
> communications. Discussion about Maven related things can take place
> in the mailing list or the issue tracker. Between that, communication
> is well covered. Thoughts?
>
> https://slack.com/trust/privacy/privacy-policy
>
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/slack-defends-default-opt-in-for-ai-training-on-chats-amid-user-outrage/
>
>
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> Elliotte Rusty Harold
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