Hi Ted,

I do plan to start one. When is the appropriate time? My reasoning was that
people would like to view the changes first

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 6:21 PM Ted Yu <yuzhih...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Stanislav:
> Do you plan to start VOTE thread ?
>
> Cheers
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:11 PM Stanislav Kozlovski <
> stanis...@confluent.io>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey group,
> >
> > I added a Pull Request for this KIP - here it is
> > https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/5410
> > Please take a look.
> >
> > Best,
> > Stanislav
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 11:06 AM Ismael Juma <isma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, the Scala consumers have been removed in 2.0.0, which simplifies
> > some
> > > of this. The following commit was an initial step in unifying the
> > exception
> > > handling:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/96bcfdfc7c9aac075635b2034e65e412a725672e
> > >
> > > But more can be done as you mentioned.
> > >
> > > Ismael
> > >
> > > On 5 Jul 2018 9:36 am, "Stanislav Kozlovski" <stanis...@confluent.io>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Ismael,
> > >
> > > It is only slightly related - my PR would attach two new attributes and
> > > also touch upon deserialization exceptions.
> > >
> > > But this PR did provide me with some insight:
> > > Maybe the best approach would be to make `InvalidRecordException` a
> > public
> > > exception instead of introducing a new one - I did not realize it was
> not
> > > publicly exposed.
> > > Does the following:
> > >
> > >  InvalidMessageException extends CorruptRecordException for temporary
> > > compatibility with the old Scala clients.
> > >  * We want to update the server side code to use and catch the new
> > > CorruptRecordException.
> > >  * Because ByteBufferMessageSet.scala and Message.scala are used in
> > > both server and client code having
> > >  * InvalidMessageException extend CorruptRecordException allows us to
> > > change server code without affecting the client.
> > >
> > > still apply? I can see that the `ByteBufferMessageSet` and `Message`
> > scala
> > > classes are not present in the codebase anymore. AFAIA the old scala
> > > clients were removed with 2.0.0 and we can thus update the server side
> > code
> > > to use the `CorruptRecordException` while changing and exposing
> > > `InvalidRecordException` to the public. WDYT?
> > >
> > > I will also make sure to not expose the cause of the exception when not
> > > needed, maybe I'll outright remove the `cause` attribute
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:55 PM Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the KIP, Stanislav. The following PR looks related:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/4093/files
> > > >
> > > > Ismael
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 8:44 AM Stanislav Kozlovski <
> > > stanis...@confluent.io
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey everybody,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just created a new KIP about exposing more information in
> > exceptions
> > > > > caused by consumer record deserialization/validation. Please have a
> > > look
> > > > at
> > > > > it, it is a very short page.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working under the assumption that all invalid record or
> > > > > deserialization exceptions in the consumer pass through the
> `Fetcher`
> > > > > class. Please confirm if that is true, otherwise I might miss some
> > > places
> > > > > where the exceptions are raised in my implementation
> > > > >
> > > > > One concern I have is the name of the second exception -
> > > > > `InoperativeRecordException`. I would have named it
> > > > > `InvalidRecordException` but that is taken. The `Fetcher` class
> > catches
> > > > > `InvalidRecordException` (here
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/c5b00d20d3703b7fc4358b7258d5d6adb890136f/clients/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/clients/consumer/internals/Fetcher.java#L1081
> > > > > >
> > > > > and here
> > > > > <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/c5b00d20d3703b7fc4358b7258d5d6adb890136f/clients/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/clients/consumer/internals/Fetcher.java#L1092
> > > > > >)
> > > > > and re-raises it as `KafkaException`, which exposes it as a
> > > non-retriable
> > > > > exception to the user (`InvalidRecordException` extends
> > > > > `RetriableExecption`, but `KafkaException` doesn't).
> > > > > A suggestion I got for an alternative name was
> > > > > `InvalidFetchRecordException`. Please chime in if you have ideas
> > > > >
> > > > > Confluence page: KIP-334
> > > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=87297793
> > > > > >
> > > > > JIRA Issue: KAFKA-5682 <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-5682
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Stanislav
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best,
> > > Stanislav
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best,
> > Stanislav
> >
>

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