Hi Jun,

We are using 2-way encryption. The password configs encoded are
keystore/truststore passwords and JAAS configuration. We need to be able to
extract the actual values for these, so we cannot use 1-way hash. So if we
have the old secret, we can decrypt and get the original values.

Thank you,

Rajini

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote:

> Hi, Rajin,
>
> Does providing the old-secret help? My understanding is that the encoded
> passwd is the result of a 1-way hash with the secret. So, one can't decode
> the passwd with old-secret. If that's the case, one still needs to provide
> the unencrypted paaswd to re-encode with the new secret?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jun
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:28 AM, Rajini Sivaram <rajinisiva...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jun/Jason,
> >
> > I was wondering whether it is worth adding a new property (static config
> in
> > server.properties) to pass in the previous encoder password as well when
> > changing encoder password. So you would set:
> >
> >    - password.encoder.secret=new-password
> >    - password.encoder.old.secret=old-password
> >
> > When the broker starts up and loads passwords from ZK, it would check if
> > old-password is being used. If so, it would re-encode all passwords in ZK
> > using new-password and store them back in ZK. If the new-password is
> > already in use in ZK, the old one will be ignored. This needs an extra
> > property, but makes it simpler for the user since all other passwords can
> > be used from ZK.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Rajini Sivaram <rajinisiva...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jason,
> > >
> > > Thank you for reviewing and voting.
> > >
> > > Thanks, I had missed the rename. Have updated the KIP.
> > >
> > > The configs can be defined in the static server.properties or in
> > > ZooKeeper. If a ZK config cannot be decoded (or is not valid), we log
> an
> > > error and revert to the static config or default. When updating the
> > secret
> > > used by the encode, we expect all password values to be specified in
> > > server.properties. And the decoding or sanity check of the password in
> ZK
> > > would fail with the new secret, so we would use the password values
> from
> > > server.properties. Once the broker starts up, the values can be reset
> in
> > ZK
> > > using AdminClient and they will be encoded using the new secret.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Jason Gustafson <ja...@confluent.io>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 Thanks for the KIP. One minor nit: I think we changed
> > >> ConfigSource.TOPIC_CONFIG to ConfigSource.DYNAMIC_TOPIC_CONFIG in the
> > PR.
> > >>
> > >> As far as updating secrets, I wasn't sure I understand how that will
> > work.
> > >> Do the password configs accept multiple values?
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Rajini Sivaram <
> rajinisiva...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi Jun,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you for reviewing and voting.
> > >> >
> > >> > 50. I have updated the KIP to describe how the secret may be
> changed.
> > >> All
> > >> > dynamically configurable passwords and per-broker configs. So the
> > secret
> > >> > can be different across brokers and updated using rolling restart.
> In
> > >> order
> > >> > to update the secret, each broker needs to be restarted with an
> > updated
> > >> > server.properties which contains the new secret as well as the
> current
> > >> > values of all the password configs. Admin client can then be used to
> > >> update
> > >> > the passwords in ZooKeeper that are encrypted using the new secret.
> > >> >
> > >> > 51. leader.replication.throttled.replicas and
> > >> > follower.replication.throttled.replicas
> > >> > are dynamically configurable at the topic level. But there are no
> > >> defaults
> > >> > for these at the broker level since they refer to partitions of the
> > >> topic.
> > >> > The rates used for throttling were already configurable at the
> broker
> > >> > level.
> > >> >
> > >> > I made a couple of other changes to the KIP:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. The config names used for encoding passwords are now prefixed
> with
> > >> > password.encoder.
> > >> > Also added key length as a config since this is constrained by the
> > >> > algorithm which is also configurable.
> > >> > 2. I moved the update of inter-broker security protocol and
> > >> > inter-broker sasl mechanism to the follow-on KIP under Future Work.
> As
> > >> part
> > >> > of the new KIP, we need to add protocol changes to validate that all
> > >> > brokers in the cluster support the new protocol/mechanism/version to
> > >> avoid
> > >> > accidental changes before all brokers are updated.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi, Rajini,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thank for the KIP. +1. Just a couple of minor comments below.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 50. config.secret.*: Could you document how the
> > encryption/decryption
> > >> of
> > >> > > passwd work? In particular, how do we support changing
> > config.secret?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 51. At the topic level, we also have leader.replication.throttled.
> > >> > replicas
> > >> > > and follower.replication.throttled.replicas. Should they be
> > >> dynamically
> > >> > > configurable?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Jun
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Gwen Shapira <g...@confluent.io>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > +1 (binding). Thank you for leading this, Rajini.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:35 AM Tom Bentley <
> > t.j.bent...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > +1 (nonbinding)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On 12 December 2017 at 15:34, Ted Yu <yuzhih...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > +1
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:44 AM, Rajini Sivaram <
> > >> > > > rajinisiva...@gmail.com
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Since there are no more outstanding comments, I would like
> > to
> > >> > start
> > >> > > > > vote
> > >> > > > > > > for KIP-226:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-
> > >> > > > > > > 226+-+Dynamic+Broker+Configuration
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > The KIP enables dynamic update of commonly updated broker
> > >> > > > configuration
> > >> > > > > > > options to avoid expensive restarts.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Rajini
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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