Good call.
That’s when I heavily miss Scala Case classes and options. You get clarity on 
optional vs mandatory fields, one constructor, and immutability. If losing 
Immutability is an issue, then the with pattern is a no-go and then I’ll just 
add a missing constructor the way Ismael described it. That’ll make the PR way 
simpler, with limited refactoring.

Regarding the ConsumerRecord, I’m happy to have a look, but it’s the first time 
I see it concretely. When would you manually construct such a record? Isn’t the 
client handling all that for you behind the scene?
 

On 23/4/17, 3:21 pm, "Michael Pearce" <michael.pea...@ig.com> wrote:

    If moving to a wither pattern instead of a builder. How will this enforce 
immutability? Eg current PR it is now changing to allow possible change values 
once set.
    
    Or are you proposing to change it to a mutable record? And move to a 
closable record similar to the closing of the headers on send.
    
    How about also the consumer record, is this also being looked at so we 
don't have two very different styles.
    
    Cheers
    Mike
    
    
    
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    Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 11:53:45 PM
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    On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Matthias J. Sax <matth...@confluent.io>
    wrote:
    
    > I think Ismael's suggestion is a valid alternative.
    >
    > However, `timestamp` is an optional field and thus we should have at
    > least two constructors for this:
    >
    >  - ProducerRecord(String topic, K key, V value)
    
     - ProducerRecord(String topic, K key, V value, Long timestamp)
    >
    
    Yes, the other one already exists.
    
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