Hi Colin,

Thanks for the explanation. And I agree with Mickael that if there are such
limitations, we should clearly document it.
So far, in the v3.9 document
<https://kafka.apache.org/39/documentation.html>, I can't see anything
about it.
Also, it seems metrics are still not added, we should document it, too.


Thanks.
Luke


On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 3:20 AM Mickael Maison <mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> This is a major caveat. We've advertised KRaft as production ready and
> anyone who has already migrated is now stuck with a static quorum. The
> whole point of 3.9.0 was to reach "feature parity" with ZooKeeper,
> this is now true for only a subset of users (users that have not
> already migrated, or created new KRaft clusters).
>
> I think at this point 3.9.0 has to go through. At the very least we
> should make sure it's clearly explained, I didn't see anything about
> this limitation in our docs or release notes.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the new RC, I plan to test it tomorrow.
>
> Thanks,
> Mickael
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 7:49 PM Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Luke,
> >
> > Unfortunately, we don't have a way to upgrade from static quorums to
> dynamic quorums yet. We are hoping to include this in the next release.
> We're trakcing it under https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-16538
> .
> >
> > best,
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024, at 05:25, Luke Chen wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I found I cannot upgrade to v3.9.0 and then successfully add a new
> > > controller or remove a controller. I've opened KAFKA-17866
> > > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17866>. Please take a
> look.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Luke
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 2:27 PM TengYao Chi <kiting...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Colin,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for handling the release of the new RC.
> > >>
> > >> I built from source and ran all the unit and integration tests on each
> > >> combination of different LTS JDK versions and distributions in Docker
> (Zulu
> > >> and Corretto).
> > >>
> > >> +1 (non-binding)
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> TengYao
> > >>
> > >> Justine Olshan <jols...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年10月24日 週四
> 下午2:24寫道:
> > >>
> > >> > Hey Colin,
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for running the release.
> > >> >
> > >> > I checked the keys and scanned the docs
> > >> > I built from source, used kraft quickstart, ran a transactions
> workload,
> > >> > played around with a few other things including running some of the
> > >> feature
> > >> > version commands.
> > >> >
> > >> > I noticed that some of the KIP-1022 work that was meant to make it
> in
> > >> this
> > >> > release was removed.
> > >> > Without any specifications, the cluster is meant to take the latest
> > >> version
> > >> > of all available features. The code to do that was removed. Perhaps
> there
> > >> > is a reason, but we should either change the KIP or remedy this.
> > >> > Not only that, but the ability to configure a feature via the
> --feature
> > >> > flag in the storage tool also seems to be removed but the text
> remains
> > >> when
> > >> > running with no arguments. I don't think it is a blocker, but this
> should
> > >> > be fixed for 4.0.
> > >> >
> > >> > I looked at two runs of the system tests and they looked fine to me.
> > >> >
> > >> > +1 (binding) from me,
> > >> >
> > >> > Justine
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 1:21 PM Bill Bejeck <bbej...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Colin,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks for running the release.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I did the following verification steps:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >    1. Built from source
> > >> > >    2. Validated all checksums
> > >> > >    3. Ran all the unit tests
> > >> > >    4. Pulled both docker images and started up Kafka
> > >> > >    5. Ran the KRaft quick start
> > >> > >    6. Ran the ZK quick start
> > >> > >    7. Ran the Kafka Streams quick start
> > >> > >    8. Spot checked the documentation
> > >> > >    9. Spot checked the javadocs
> > >> > >
> > >> > > +1(binding)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Bill
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 9:08 AM Federico Valeri <
> fedeval...@gmail.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi, I did the following tests:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > - Ran all unit and integration tests
> > >> > > > - Spot checked the documentation
> > >> > > > - Tried out new Maven dependencies
> > >> > > > - Tested KIP-853, KIP-950, KIP-956 and KIP-1057
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > +1 (non binding)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Thanks
> > >> > > > Fede
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 11:12 PM Colin McCabe <
> cmcc...@apache.org>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > This is the third candidate for the release of Apache Kafka
> 3.9.0.
> > >> I
> > >> > > > have titled it rc3 since I had an rc1 which got very far, even
> to the
> > >> > > point
> > >> > > > of pushing tags and docker images, before I spotted an issue. So
> > >> rather
> > >> > > > than mutate the tags, I decided to skip over rc1.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > - This is a major release, the final one in the 3.x line.
> (There
> > >> may
> > >> > of
> > >> > > > course be other minor releases in this line, such as 3.9.1.)
> > >> > > > > - Tiered storage will be considered production-ready in this
> > >> release.
> > >> > > > > - This will be the final major release to feature the
> deprecated
> > >> > > > ZooKeeper mode.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > This release includes the following KIPs:
> > >> > > > > - KIP-853: Support dynamically changing KRaft controller
> membership
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1057: Add remote log metadata flag to the dump log tool
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1049: Add config log.summary.interval.ms to Kafka
> Streams
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1040: Improve handling of nullable values in
> InsertField,
> > >> > > > ExtractField, and other transformations
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1031: Control offset translation in
> MirrorSourceConnector
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1033: Add Kafka Streams exception handler for exceptions
> > >> > > occurring
> > >> > > > during processing
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1017: Health check endpoint for Kafka Connect
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1025: Optionally URL-encode clientID and clientSecret in
> > >> > > > authorization header
> > >> > > > > - KIP-1005: Expose EarliestLocalOffset and TieredOffset
> > >> > > > > - KIP-950: Tiered Storage Disablement
> > >> > > > > - KIP-956: Tiered Storage Quotas
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Release notes for the 3.9.0 release:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/kafka/3.9.0-rc3/RELEASE_NOTES.html
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > *** Please download, test and vote by October 24, 2024.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Kafka's KEYS file containing PGP keys we use to sign the
> release:
> > >> > > > > https://kafka.apache.org/KEYS
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Release artifacts to be voted upon (source and binary):
> > >> > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/kafka/3.9.0-rc3/
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Docker release artifacts to be voted upon:
> > >> > > > > apache/kafka:3.9.0-rc3
> > >> > > > > apache/kafka-native:3.9.0-rc3
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Maven artifacts to be voted upon:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/staging/org/apache/kafka/
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Javadoc:
> > >> > > > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/kafka/3.9.0-rc3/javadoc/
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Documentation:
> > >> > > > > https://kafka.apache.org/39/documentation.html
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Protocol:
> > >> > > > > https://kafka.apache.org/39/protocol.html
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Tag to be voted upon (off 3.9 branch) is the 3.9.0-rc3 tag:
> > >> > > > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/releases/tag/3.9.0-rc3
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > * Successful Docker Image Github Actions Pipeline for 3.9
> branch:
> > >> > > > > Docker Build Test Pipeline (JVM):
> > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/actions/runs/11448325059
> > >> > > > > Docker Build Test Pipeline (Native):
> > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/actions/runs/11448338981
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks to everyone who helped with this release candidate,
> either
> > >> by
> > >> > > > contributing code, testing, or documentation.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Regards,
> > >> > > > > Colin
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
>

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