I agree that we should keep 4.0 time-based. My question is based on which release. If I understand you, you would like to keep it based on 3.8. This means that 4.0 would be released in October. It would be helpful to fix the dates so we can plan accordingly. I will start a separate thread on Monday.
David Le sam. 15 juin 2024 à 00:44, Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> a écrit : > +1. I think it would be good to keep 4.0 time-based. Most of the refactors > we want to do are optional in some sense and can be descoped if time runs > out. For example, we can drop support for JDK 8 without immediately > refactoring everything that could benefit from the improvements in JDK9+. > > best, > Colin > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, at 15:37, Matthias J. Sax wrote: > > That's my understanding, and I would advocate strongly to keep the 4.0 > > release schedule as planed originally. > > > > The 3.9 one should really be an additional "out of schedule" release not > > impacting any other releases. > > > > > > -Matthias > > > > On 6/14/24 1:29 PM, David Jacot wrote: > >> The plan sounds good to me. I suppose that we will follow our regular > >> cadence for 4.0 and release it four months after 3.9 (in November?). Is > >> this correct? > >> > >> Best, > >> David > >> > >> Le ven. 14 juin 2024 à 21:57, José Armando García Sancio > >> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid> a écrit : > >> > >>> +1 on the proposed release plan for 3.8. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:33 PM Ismael Juma <m...@ismaeljuma.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> +1 to the plan we converged on in this thread. > >>>> > >>>> Ismael > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 10:46 AM Josep Prat > <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks Colin, yes go ahead. > >>>>> > >>>>> As we are now past code freeze I would like to ask everyone involved > >>> in a > >>>>> KIP that is not yet complete, to verify if what landed on the 3.8 > >>> branch > >>>>> needs to be reverted or if it can stay. Additionally, I'll be pinging > >>> KIPs > >>>>> and Jira reporters asking for their status as some Jiras seem to have > >>> all > >>>>> related GitHub PRs merged but their status is still Open or In > >>> Progress. > >>>>> I'll be checking all the open blockers and check if they are really a > >>>>> blocker or can be pushed. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Regarding timeline, I'll attempt to generate the first RC on > Wednesday > >>> or > >>>>> Thursday, so please revert any changes you deem necessary by then. If > >>> you > >>>>> need more time, please ping me. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> ----------------- > >>>>> Josep Prat > >>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, Aiven > >>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 | aiven.io > >>>>> Aiven Deutschland GmbH > >>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen > >>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, 19:25 Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We have had many delays with releases this year. We should try to > get > >>>>> back > >>>>>> on schedule. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I agree with the idea that was proposed a few times in this thread > of > >>>>>> drawing a line under 3.8 now, and doing a short 3.9 release. I > >>> posted a > >>>>> 3.9 > >>>>>> release plan here: > >>>>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.9.0 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think we could start doing RCs for 3.8.0 as early as next week. > >>> There > >>>>>> are a few things that need to be reverted first (anything related to > >>>>>> KIP-853 or KIP-966). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Josep, if you agree, I will update KIP-1012 to reflect that these > >>> things > >>>>>> are landing in 3.9 rather than 3.8. And we can start doing all the > >>> normal > >>>>>> release stuff. The main blocker JIRA I'm aware of is KAFKA-16946, > >>> which > >>>>> is > >>>>>> a very simple fix. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> best, > >>>>>> Colin > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, at 03:48, Satish Duggana wrote: > >>>>>>> +1 on going with 3.8 release with the existing plan and targeting > >>> the > >>>>>>> required features in 3.9 timelines. 4.0 will be targeted in the > >>> usual > >>>>>>> cycle(4 months) after 3.9 is released. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 15:19, Edoardo Comar <edoardli...@gmail.com > >>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Josep, > >>>>>>>> past the deadline sorry but I can't see reasons not to cherry-pick > >>>>> this > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/16326 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 17:14, Josep Prat > >>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Edoardo, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Correct, you can still cherry-pick this one. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'll send an email tomorrow morning (CEST) asking maintainers to > >>>>> stop > >>>>>>>>> cherry picking commits unless we discuss it beforehand. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 6:09 PM Edoardo Comar < > >>>>> edoardli...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Josep, I understand I am still in time to cherry-pick on > >>> 3.8.0 > >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/16229 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> right? > >>>>>>>>>> thanks > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 11:34, Ivan Yurchenko <i...@ivanyu.me> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to do all the fixes and changes for KIP-899 [1] > >>> sooner > >>>>>> today, > >>>>>>>>>> but please proceed with the release if I don't manage. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ivan > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13277 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, at 12:54, Josep Prat wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think Jose, also mentioned that it won't be ready for > >>> v3.8.0 > >>>>>> (but he > >>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>> confirm this). My question now would be, given that it > >>> seems > >>>>> we > >>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>> need > >>>>>>>>>>>> a v3.9.0, do you think it's important to include > >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/16284 in v3.8.0? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 11:40 AM Luke Chen < > >>> show...@gmail.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Josep > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For KIP-966, I think Calvin had mentioned he won't > >>> complete > >>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> v3.8.0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/fsnr8wy5fznzfso7jgk90skgyo277fmw > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For unclean leader election, all we need is this PR: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/16284 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For this PR, I think it needs one more week to be > >>> completed. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 4:51 PM Josep Prat > >>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are now really close to the planned code freeze > >>>>> deadline > >>>>>> (today > >>>>>>>>>> EOD). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to KIP-1012 [1] we agreed to stay in the 3.x > >>>>>> branch > >>>>>>>>>> until we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve feature parity regarding Zookeeper and KRaft. > >>> The > >>>>>> two main > >>>>>>>>>> KIPs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> identified that would achieve this are: KIP-853 [2] > >>> and > >>>>>> KIP-966 > >>>>>>>>>> [3]. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the moment of writing this email both KIPs are not > >>>>>> completed. My > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> question to the people driving both KIPs would be, how > >>>>> much > >>>>>> more > >>>>>>>>>> time do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think it's needed to bring these KIPs to > >>> completion? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - If the time needed would be short, we could still > >>>>> include > >>>>>> these > >>>>>>>>>> 2 KIPs > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - However, if the time needed would be on the scale of > >>>>>> weeks, we > >>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue with the release plan for 3.8 and after start > >>>>>> working on > >>>>>>>>>> the 3.9 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1012%3A+The+need+for+a+Kafka+3.8.x+release > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-853%3A+KRaft+Controller+Membership+Changes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-966%3A+Eligible+Leader+Replicas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:40 AM Josep Prat < > >>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rajini, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we could backport this one to the 3.8 branch. > >>> Would > >>>>>> you be > >>>>>>>>>> able to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once you merge this PR? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 10:53 PM Rajini Sivaram < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rajinisiva...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Josep, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The PR https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13277 > >>> for > >>>>>> KIP-899 > >>>>>>>>>> looks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be merged (waiting for the PR build).The PR > >>> changes > >>>>>> several > >>>>>>>>>> files, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is relatively straightforward and not risky. Also > >>> the > >>>>>> changes > >>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>> under > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config that is not enabled by default. Since the > >>> KIP > >>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>> approved > >>>>>>>>>>>>> before > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP freeze, will it be ok to include in 3.8.0? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajini > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 9:35 AM Josep Prat > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want to remind everybody that the code > >>> freeze > >>>>>> deadline > >>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaching > >>> < > https://www.google.com/maps/search/%3E%3E+%3E+%3E+%3E+%3E+%3E+%3E+%3E%3E+%3E+approaching?entry=gmail&source=g > >. > >>> June 12th EOD is the deadline. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do not automatically backport any commit > >>> to > >>>>> the > >>>>>> 3.8 > >>>>>>>>>> branch > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> June 12th EOD. Ping me if you think the commit > >>> should > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> backported > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (fixes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failures in the branch or critical bug fixes). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks all! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 8:43 PM José Armando > >>> García > >>>>>> Sancio > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Josep, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See my comments below. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 10:52 AM Josep Prat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I would propose to leave the deadlines as > >>> they > >>>>>> are and > >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cherry > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick the commits related to KIP-853 and > >>> KIP-966. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your proposal sounds good to me. I suspect that > >>>>> will > >>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> doing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development for KIP-853 past the feature > >>> freeze and > >>>>>> code > >>>>>>>>>> freeze > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> date. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe feature development will be finished > >>> around > >>>>>> the end > >>>>>>>>>> of June. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll make sure to cherry pick commits for > >>> KIP-853 > >>>>> to > >>>>>> the 3.8 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> branch > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once we have one. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -José > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu > >>> Valtonen > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* > >>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > >>>>>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > >>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > >>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen > >>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <https://www.aiven.io> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* > >>>>>>>>> Open Source Engineering Director, *Aiven* > >>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io | +491715557497 > >>>>>>>>> aiven.io <https://www.aiven.io> | < > >>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud> > >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/> < > >>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> > >>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland GmbH* > >>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7, 10117 Berlin > >>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Oskari Saarenmaa & Hannu Valtonen > >>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Charlottenburg, HRB 209739 B > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> -José > >>> > >> >
