> Agree. I think you can start a discussion and change some abbrevs if you
wish.

How about keeping the abbreviation map file inside the Ignite repo?
In this case, you may change the abbreviation by issue/pr covered by a
green TC check.

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>
wrote:

> > No validation in the world prevent me from typing manually "mess"
> instead of "msg"/«message"
>
> Code review will do.
>
> > btw "svc" is more common imo
>
> Agree. I think you can start a discussion and change some abbrevs if you
> wish.
>
>
> > 17 июня 2021 г., в 10:23, Ivan Daschinsky <ivanda...@gmail.com>
> написал(а):
> >
> > I'm sorry, but the rule is not strict and, moreover, not clear enough for
> > constans. See here [1]
> > ```
> > Type and method names are usually not abbreviated (except for the
> > well-accepted abbreviations such as EOF, Impl, Fifo, etc.).
> >
> > Abbreviation applies to local variables, method parameters, class fields
> > and in **some cases public static fileds** (constants) of the class.
> > ```
> > But there is not any list that contains these cases. I suppose, that
> > constant naming should not be abbreviated.
> > As I see, the most cases of violations, described in initial post, are
> > about constant's namings.
> >
> > I suppose that we should define strict and clear rules about constants
> > naming.
> >
> > [1] --
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Abbreviation+Rules
> >
> >
> > чт, 17 июн. 2021 г. в 10:10, Konstantin Orlov <kor...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> >> Enforced validation doesn't guarantee code consistency. No validation in
> >> the world prevent me from typing manually "mess" instead of
> "msg"/"message"
> >> or "svc" instead of "srvc"/"service" (btw "svc" is more common imo).
> >>
> >> And the fact that someone name a variable "count" instead of "cnt"
> doesn't
> >> make the whole project immature.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Konstantin Orlov
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 17 Jun 2021, at 08:34, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Nikolay,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, it is rather interesting.
> >>>
> >>> Do we all agree that using different conventions for different code
> >>> packages does not break "consistency"? Or did I get something wrong?
> >>>
> >>> 2021-06-17 7:12 GMT+03:00, Николай Ижиков <nizhi...@apache.org>:
> >>>> Hello, Ivan.
> >>>>
> >>>> We can create checkstyle rule to enforce usage of abbreviations.
> >>>> Internal/public code differs by package.
> >>>>
> >>>> PoC of rule [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/9153
> >>>>
> >>>>> 17 июня 2021 г., в 07:01, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> написал(а):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nikita,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you have a plan in your mind how to make Ignite codebase
> consistent?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> AFAIR, we had it intentionally inconsistent for a long time at least
> >>>>> for one sake: for internal code we used special conventions (e.g.
> >>>>> abbreviations, shorten getters) and common Java conventions for
> public
> >>>>> API and examples (e.g. no abbreviations and usual getters).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2021-06-16 23:37 GMT+03:00, Nikita Ivanov <niva...@gridgain.com>:
> >>>>>> Consistency is what makes it easier to contribute to the project and
> >>>>>> attract new members. Consistency implies strong, well defined and
> >>>>>> universally enforced rules. Just because we have some individuals
> who
> >>>>>> are lazy or inexperienced - it does not mean that the entire project
> >>>>>> should relax the basic-level engineering discipline.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a personal node - nothing screams "immaturity" louder that a code
> >>>>>> that uses inconsistent naming, commenting, code style &
> organization,
> >>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Nikita Ivanov
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 5:56 AM Andrey Gura <ag...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I understand that this rule seems too strict or may be weird. But
> >>>>>>> removing the rule could lead to review comments like "use future
> >>>>>>> instead of fut". So my proposal is to change rule from "required"
> to
> >>>>>>> "recommended".
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 2:49 PM Valentin Kulichenko
> >>>>>>> <valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Konstantin, thanks for chiming in.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's exactly my concern. Overformalization is generally not a
> good
> >>>>>>>> thing.
> >>>>>>>> Someone used "mess" to abbreviate "message"? That is surely not a
> >> good
> >>>>>>>> coding style, but that's what code reviews are for. I believe that
> >> our
> >>>>>>>> committers are more than capable of identifying such issues.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> At the same time, with the current rules, we are *forced* to use
> >>>>>>>> abbreviations like "locAddrGrpMgr", whether we like it or not. All
> >> it
> >>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>> is makes it harder to contribute to Ignite, without providing any
> >>>>>>>> clear
> >>>>>>>> value.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Val
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 9:46 AM Konstantin Orlov <
> >> kor...@gridgain.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> +1 for making this optional
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Common abbreviation rules is good for sure, but sometimes I
> getting
> >>>>>>>>> sick
> >>>>>>>>> of all those locAddrGrpMgr.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>> Konstantin Orlov
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jun 2021, at 14:31, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, Anton, Alexei.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Personally, I’m pretty happy current abbreviation rules too.
> >>>>>>>>>> Let see what we can do to make our codebase even more
> consistent.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 7 июня 2021 г., в 13:23, Alexei Scherbakov <
> >>>>>>>>> alexey.scherbak...@gmail.com> написал(а):
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -1
> >>>>>>>>>>> Common abbrevs add quality to the code.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> пн, 7 июн. 2021 г. в 12:38, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -1 here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We can fix the code and set up the rule.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will help to prevent having a weird abbreviation like
> >> "mess"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "message") or "ign" (from "Ignite").
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the abbreviations list (hardcoded at IDEA plugin) allows
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>>>> names across the whole code, this should simplify the reading.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 10:49 PM Valentin Kulichenko <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also support removing this requirement. It’s not the first
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brings this up, and so far we haven’t been able to fix it.
> Not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> worth
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my view.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Val
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 11:54 AM Nikolay Izhikov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nizhi...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, guys.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manual rule enforcement saves a couple of symbols in code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m talking about automatic check.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can implement it easily.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, if we decide to keep this rule all we need is to fix
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> violations (several thousand!).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> After it, checkstyle will automatically enforce this rule.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As you may know, currently, any PR checked according to our
> >>>>>>>>> checkstyle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, take a look at little green check sign after PR
> name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 июня 2021 г., в 00:57, Dmitry Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> написал(а):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for removal. Cnt and count both seem to be fine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manual rule enforcement saves a couple of symbols in code,
> >> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> requires
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some time from both contributor and reviewer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021/06/04 19:18:37, Pavel Tupitsyn <
> ptupit...@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we should remove this rule.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like a waste of time. freq or frequency, cnt or
> count,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> fine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 7:39 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> >>>>>>>>> nizhi...@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Igniters.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, we have the rule to use some predefined list
> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> abbrevation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable names [1].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of the reviewers ask to follow this rule strictly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is required to use abbreviated form for code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistency.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried to implement this rule in form of checkstyle
> check
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems like many of use doesn’t follow this requirement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My check found 4124 violation in core module.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should we make this rule optional in documentation or
> >> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> remove
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or should someone proceed and fix all the violations?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Example of output:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ```
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsWithTtlTest.java:94:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for CACHE_NAME_LOCAL_ATOMIC!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please,
> >>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> loc,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of LOCAL [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsWithTtlTest.java:97:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for CACHE_NAME_LOCAL_TX!
> Please,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>> loc,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of LOCAL [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsWithTtlTest.java:264:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for checkpointManager! Please,
> >> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mgr,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Manager [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsPartitionPreloadTest.java:63:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for DEFAULT_REGION! Please,
> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dflt,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DEFAULT [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsWholeClusterRestartTest.java:47:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for ENTRIES_COUNT! Please, use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cnt,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COUNT [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsRebalancingOnNotStableTopologyTest.java:49:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for CHECKPOINT_FREQUENCY!
> >> Please,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> freq,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of FREQUENCY [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsTransactionsHangTest.java:75:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for MAX_KEY_COUNT! Please, use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cnt,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COUNT [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgnitePdsTransactionsHangTest.java:78:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for CHECKPOINT_FREQUENCY!
> >> Please,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> freq,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of FREQUENCY [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/SlowHistoricalRebalanceSmallHistoryTest.java:57:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for SUPPLY_MESSAGE_LATCH!
> >> Please,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>> msg,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of MESSAGE [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgniteLogicalRecoveryTest.java:74:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for SHARED_GROUP_NAME! Please,
> >> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grp,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of GROUP [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ERROR]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/sbt-izhikov-nv/work/ignite/modules/core/src/test/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/cache/persistence/db/IgniteLogicalRecoveryTest.java:200:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abbrevation should be used for cacheLoader! Please, use
> >> ldr,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loader [IgniteAbbrevationsRule]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ```
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Abbreviation+Rules#AbbreviationRules-VariableAbbreviation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/9153
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alexei Scherbakov
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely yours, Ivan Daschinskiy
>
>

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