I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for Service Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope alive. What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be put into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that pre-release phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the middle of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a matter of respect to contributor's time.
Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features, which makes damage to the project. So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right now? Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple action immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots of other contributors. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <daradu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dmitriy, > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1, > but it is scheduled once it is finished. > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope. > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for > new features. > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes: > > - hot redeployment > > - versioning > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test properly > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart tests on > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of testing > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect this > > feature making it into the release. > > > > Can someone comment on the testing? > > > > D. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter, like me, > for > > > example, I can trust your opinion. > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles. > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm > fully for > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool features. > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with SG > > > redesign > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov < > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of any > > > > > contribution. > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign. > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign a big > > > > feature > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite. > > > > > We all want to have it in the product. > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately with > Ignite > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov, Denis > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*. > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav a > > > feedback. > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two. > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning of next > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing things, > not > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*. > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1] > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding of > release > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates. > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope. > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool features. > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with SG > > > redesign > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can happen. > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it will > be > > > > ready > > > > > to be merged to master*. > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you? > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was not > named > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take over the > > > > > community > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and power > of > > > > those > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open > source, > > > > just > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their > > > conclusion > > > > > has > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an additional > release > > > > for > > > > > SG > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service Grid > changes > > > > > are not > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did not > > > approve > > > > > the > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any design > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid > changes > > > > will > > > > > make > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of question > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him drive the > > > > > release. To > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is going > > > > > according to > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release dates-pushing > > > because > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > open question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude something > > > into > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results of the > > > > > review, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we need to > > > revisit > > > > > our > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally > important > > > > to > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we should > > > include > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into 2.7. > I > > > > > suggest we > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to > *community* > > > to > > > > > decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to > > > > > implementor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all other > features > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have outside > > > > pressure > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not some new feature, which > > > > > suddenly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to > > > merge > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release > in > > > > > October. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for > > > other > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release > > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if > feature is > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting > > > release. > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is > to let > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, and > not > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't > > > wait > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It is not best idea to > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any > pressure > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be > released > > > at > > > > > 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of > > > those > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's > give > > > > > right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of > people > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav > Daradur < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid > before [1] > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is > > > > > reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that > code > > > > > freeze > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov > and > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or > not > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is > > > > definitely > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set > did > > > not > > > > > fail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > commit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey > > > Kuznetsov > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL > manager > > > > > recently, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good > > > candidate > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy > > > Pavlov > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of > release, > > > as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community > committed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such > a big > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is > > > another > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, > Vladimir > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM > Denis > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is > discussed > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when > > > committers/contributors > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been working > on. > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be > > > inundated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > agree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need to be > done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service Grid, > there > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it gets > added to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you please > shed > > > some > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for feedback > from SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I thought > it is > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed some > > > > > discussion (it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > happen), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the statement "our > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some members are > > > making > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on the > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus here > first, > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is > discussed > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of current > > > state > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > Grid - > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have it to > > > 2.7. > > > > > Our goal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 > PM > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please provide a > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > thread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в > 18:46, > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current agreement is > that > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which hasn't > entered > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stage > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > far, > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at > 6:32 > > > PM > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I prefer > four > > > > > weeks for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand it > > > correctly: > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в > > > 18:28, > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for clear > > > release > > > > > status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., > > > 18:25 > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznet...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to do a > > > > > stabilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. >
