Hi Ryan,

Thanks. I think the confusion is about what you describe like
"contributions and reviews", reading the page:

"
..
* Has the candidate made independent material contributions to the
community that show expertise?
...
* Have the candidate’s contributions been stable and maintainable?
...
"
etc

It sounds like "code contributions and code reviews". I think it's
what Justin meant.

Regards
JB

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 6:34 PM rdb...@gmail.com <rdb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I want to make a clarification. I did comment on that PR that we are 
> describing how the community is operating today, but that was in response to 
> suggestions to reference the comdev project, lower the requirements, and add 
> a requirement for loving the project and helping the community. My intent is 
> to say that we're open to discussion, but that I want to make sure we get the 
> guidelines published before we make changes.
>
> I was NOT saying that we don't value non-code contributions today. We do, and 
> we made sure that the doc doesn't talk about only code. It refers to 
> contributions and reviews, not code.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:21 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Justin
>>
>> For reference, here's the original PR:
>> https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/11670
>>
>> I agree with you, and I commented in the PR about the same points:
>> - considering non code contributions (also referring com dev page
>> https://community.apache.org/pmc/adding-committers.html as "example")
>> - considering same criteria across the project (between iceberg-java,
>> iceberg-python, iceberg-go, iceberg-rust, ...) because a committer/PMC
>> member is for the whole project (not only on one module)
>>
>> Ryan and Fokko reassured me: they want to describe how the PMC is
>> "operating" today, but they will certainly consider our comments in
>> the future (and update the page).
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:10 AM Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > From a quick glance, this seems far too focused on code contributions. 
>> > Remember, people can become committers from non-code contributions. A 
>> > committer is someone that is committed to the project and may not review 
>> > or write code. It would also be good to set some expectations around the 
>> > amount of activity needed to become a committer rather than saying there 
>> > are none.
>> >
>> > Kind Regards,
>> > Justin

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