Hi,

Lack of type information in lower/upper bounds is definitely an interesting
problem.
For example the 4 bytes \x31\x32\x33\x34 value can be interpreted as string
"1234" or 875770417 integer value (stored little-endian).
if the reader logic depends on the length of data in bytes, will this
prevent us from adding any type promotions *to *string?

Best
Piotr



On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 at 01:00, Ryan Blue <b...@apache.org> wrote:

> I’ve recently been working on updating the spec for new types and type
> promotion cases in v3.
>
> I was talking to Micah and he pointed out an issue with type promotion:
> the upper and lower bounds for data file columns that are kept in Avro
> manifests don’t have any information about the type that was used to encode
> the bounds.
>
> For example, when writing to a table with a float column, 4: f, the
> manifest’s lower_bounds and upper_bounds maps will have an entry with the
> type ID (4) as the key and a 4-byte encoded float for the value. If column
> f were later promoted to double, those maps aren’t changed. The way we
> currently detect that the type was promoted is to check the binary value
> and read it as a float if there are 4 bytes instead of 8. This prevents us
> from adding int to double type promotion because when there are 4 bytes
> we would not know whether the value was originally an int or a float.
>
> Several of the type promotion cases from my previous email hit this
> problem. Date/time types to string, int and long to string, and long to
> timestamp are all affected. I think the best path forward is to add fewer
> type promotion cases to v3 and support only these new cases:
>
>    - int and long to string
>    - date to timestamp
>    - null/unknown to any
>    - any to variant (if supported by the Variant spec)
>
> That list would allow us to keep using the current strategy and not add
> new metadata to track the type to our manifests. My rationale for not
> adding new information to track the bound types at the time that the data
> file metadata is created is that it would inflate the size of manifests and
> push out the timeline for getting v3 done. Many of us would like to get v3
> released to get the timestamp_ns and variant types out. And if we can get
> at least some of the promotion cases out that’s better.
>
> To address type promotion in the long term, I think that we should
> consider moving to Parquet manifests. This has been suggested a few times
> so that we can project just the lower and upper bounds that are needed for
> scan planning. That would also fix type promotion because the manifest file
> schema would include full type information for the stats columns. Given the
> complexity of releasing Parquet manifests, I think it makes more sense to
> get a few promotion cases done now in v3 and follow up with the rest in v4.
>
> Ryan
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
>

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