Once again, please understand that I'm an outsider, and have no vote here, but have a few years of experience with Apache communities, and so have a lot of opinions. Forgive me if I wax philosophical.
First of all, framing this document as guidelines, rather than rules, is the right approach. If this is viewed as rules, we have seen in other projects where these kinds of rules are used to exclude people who do not exactly match the profile defined, and that impoverishes community. Setting guidelines helps new contributors to know what to strive towards, which is very important for goal-setting. But it can also make some contributors - particularly those who are less confident, say "that's not me, why even try?" As written, this document excludes almost any non-code contributor ever becoming a committer and/or PMC member, and that would be to the great detriment of the project. I am concerned that if you don't intentionally address that, you will be excluding a lot of very valuable contributors from ever even trying. I am very concerned that your rules will bias towards selecting only people that look a lot like you, in terms of being full-time software developers at big companies, and miss more casual, passion-driven contributors. I'm also very concerned any time I see a PMC crafting "you must be this tall to ride" documentation, rather than viewing their role, primarily, as being the ones who should be recruiting and mentoring their successors. I am still here at the ASF, nearly 30 years later, because someone approached me and encouraged me to do more, rather than someone telling me I hadn't done enough yet. The distinction is subtle, but important. Each and every PMC member should be actively looking for the next person that they *get to* nominate. Don't get me wrong, guidelines (and rules) are important to set expectations. But PMC members (each and every one of them!) must feel at liberty to nominate, and advocate for, any member of the community in whom they see *promise*, because taking a risk on someone, ane encouraging them towards ownership, is what builds strong communities - not *just* crafting specific metrics that someone must hit. I will say that, 100%, with rules like this, I would never have become a committer on any project, and would not be here today. On 2024/06/25 18:10:43 Jack Ye wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here is a draft proposal for the guidelines for committership and PMC > membership: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ka0F9Cn0QeL3IJbds3aGyz3XLnzlS5khoY5B8yogA8E/edit
