Hey guys, I advise you to take Stamatis' suggestion and cool it off for a bit, this is getting personal and you know it's only counterproductive.
Having worked with both of you, I know you have always done everything in the best interest of the project and always acted in good faith, no reason to look for further reasons on past and current choices. You might not agree on what's best now, but I am pretty sure you will accept whatever the community thinks it's best, so an alternative is to cast a vote and act based on the outcome, the Apache way! :) Best regards, Alessandro On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 11:15, Ayush Saxena <ayush...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok Zoltan, you are always right, but listening to other people sometimes > doesn't hurt, maybe even if they aren't as smart as you (like me & everyone > you consider not so smart like you). > > Let me ask something: > * If something breaks like code or something like that? What do you do? > Humiliate or throw sarcastic comments? > -> In general no, We go and help fix it, or ask the guy to revert it & > share what you feel is right? if there isn't an agreement, we discuss not > like "Whatever you want to do", for you that might be fancy, but not for > others > > -> You don't like an approach? The way I did it? or "I did it" > It is all Ok, that apache repo actually gives rights to all the hive > committers, whether I know them, you know them or nobody knows them. anyone > can do what they like & consider good for Apache Hive, that is opensource. > The amount of time we are spending on this thread, that much time would > have sorted things out > > -> Your response mechanism? > How tough is it to spread a sense of inclusive community? How tough is it > to write in a humble way? I am not convinced with this approach? I know a > better approach? That is X->Y->Z, We should do that? or I will go ahead and > do that? Did anyone stop anyone from doing anything here? What is the point > being proven, that someone is superior & can go freely & yell or scold > people, or it is demonstrating "I deserve respect not the others" > > -> Is there a discussion about the topic? > How long do you want the discussion? If you were particular about an > approach, you could have shared it, I went wrong, you can still share it, > you don't want me to do it, you can still do it yourself, and believe me > even if you screw up things. None of us will come up & throw any tantrums > or sarcastic comments. That is not most of us. > > I maybe wrong, anyone can be wrong, the only person who didn't do anything > wrong or broke anything is someone who didn't do anything ambitious... > > I will still try to answer your questions Zoltan > > > I was replacing the CI I've used it to get a good base ground for > running the tests - as it could prepare a lot of things already. > I had to do a lot of things - and the move of the repo was never at the top > of the list... > > It is all "I" my friend, you thought, till you were only using it, it was > good. But Hive started using it, It wasn't. How many Apache projects rely > on even making a JDK change for their test to run on external folks, using > your personal fork itself at the very first point was violation of apache > way. Migration should have been done first, or other alternatives should > have been explored rather than relying on some non apache fork > > > That's not true either as you can see in a week-or-so old comment from me > > And again, You want all "Apache" contributors to follow your repo & follow > these comments? > > -> Reading the comment? > > We push it our own docker hub space & push a commit to my own docker hub > space or rely on "you" to build or add "me" as a collaborator? The project > & its component aren't own by any of the member, good news not me, bad news > not by you either. The project & it is infra, CI resources are owned by the > Project PMC (not any member) & the PMC is no way superior to any > contributor. That is basic Apache stuff, I know you know them better than > me. > > I still don't want to drag it further, Zoltan you are the most important > person in this thread, the code is in your repo, whatever way you want, we > will get that done the same way. Does that make you happy? But please get > away with this attitude, none of us, not me, nor any contributor is at > mercy of anyone else, everyone is equal, equal right, have all rights to > make mistakes, discuss, get them corrected & still come back to this place > without any humiliation with his head held high. Community over Code > > I think you will retrospect, you are a respected member of the community & > will work in a way it is good & peaceful for all, rest I can't help it. > > I will let Stamatis & you or anyone you like go forward with this. Stamatis > has all rights around the repo, if you want any deletion or so, rest INFRA > ticket can get anything sorted, if it requires me to write something, I can > accept it was my bad, fortunately I don't have ego issues :-) > > With a heavy heart!!! > -Ayush > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 15:05, Zoltan Haindrich <k...@rxd.hu> wrote: > > > > > On 1/23/24 10:10, Ayush Saxena wrote: > > > Ok I will get the repo deleted. I am not taking any sarcastic comments > > from Zoltan at this stage. Believe me I am not getting anything for > having > > my name there. > > > > > > Why I did this? > > > > > > Someone was so obsessed with getting his name checked into the "Apache > > Code" that he developed something on his fork & checked in that code to > the > > Apache Hive code, so, > > > professional. > > > > I don't aggree - as this is just not true! This project was created > > way-way back to aid my own efforts - didn't even looked like it will be > > used like this later. > > so I've created a separate repo - as there would have been not much > reason > > to wait for approvals on tool changes only I use! > > I was using it for years - and when I was replacing the CI I've used it > to > > get a good base ground for running the tests - as it could prepare a lot > of > > things already. > > I had to do a lot of things - and the move of the repo was never at the > > top of the list... > > ...and it never proved to be a bottleneck; as you can just fork&upload a > > new image and reference that instead... > > > > > Many Hive Commiters have rights is a wrong phrase to quote: Many Hive > > Committer who are your friends have rights. To push an image we need to > > catch Zoltan, but ok do > > > whatever you want. > > > > That's not true either as you can see in a week-or-so old comment from > me ( > > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-dev-box/pull/15#issuecomment-1893414474) > > describing how you > > could push a new image and use that instead ; bypassing me entirely... > > The PR with that changed docker image to `wecharyu/hive-dev-box:executor` > > got merged a few days back...so as of now the hive ci doesn't have much > > connection to the original > > repo. > > > > > > > > I just want to say, Zoltan, you might be a very good developer, but > > please change your "whatever you want to do" tone, > > > > I think you went forward and done something before even writing a single > > line - or did I miss it? > > > > > Not following this further > > have it your way! > > > > > > cheers, > > Zoltan > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ayush > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 14:30, Zoltan Haindrich <k...@rxd.hu <mailto: > > k...@rxd.hu>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just copied the repo: cp -R and Put Zoltan's name & reference > > to his > > > > repo. I didn't knew any better way than that, you can > definitely > > force push > > > > with another fancy approach > > > > > > lol...what a sophisticated approach - I wonder if you don't know > the > > `fancy approach` then why you've done it? > > > > > > I wonder what you've copied - because you missed the addition of > the > > github action which builds the image for every PR > > > > > > Now you are the sole contributor of all existing stuff > > (congrats)...but do whatever you want... > > > It was always there and available to use - many hive commiters had > > push and approve rights on those repos. > > > > > > I think you might also want to do the same with > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-toolbox < > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-toolbox> > > > because your contribution references it here: > > > https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box/blob/663625bc74e799f35c6bab1c1485530367287c61/tools/install_toolbox#L21C1-L21C115 > > > < > > > https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box/blob/663625bc74e799f35c6bab1c1485530367287c61/tools/install_toolbox#L21C1-L21C115 > > > > > > and probably also cp -R > > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-test-kube/ < > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-test-kube/> > > > > > > cheers, > > > Zoltan > > > > > > > > > On 1/23/24 09:29, Ayush Saxena wrote: > > > > I just copied the repo: cp -R and Put Zoltan's name & reference > > to his > > > > repo. I didn't knew any better way than that, you can definitely > > force push > > > > with another fancy approach, just c-pick the other commits for > > NOTICE & all > > > > on top of it. The old code & commits had some cloudera > > references, which I > > > > personally wanted to avoid, but yep we can take another approach > > as well. > > > > Good with me. > > > > > > > > For the Jira, yep we should, we aren't going to release this, so > > for fix > > > > version, maybe I will create a dev-box-1.0.0 which we can use to > > resolve > > > > the tickets, shouldn't put main repo versions, else that will > pop > > up in our > > > > release notes, or let me know if you want a separate Jira > project > > under > > > > Hive for these repos as well, We can explore that route if folks > > feel that > > > > way. > > > > > > > > -Ayush > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 13:35, Stamatis Zampetakis < > > zabe...@gmail.com <mailto:zabe...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Thanks for helping advance this Ayush! > > > >> > > > >> I saw that the commit history was not retained. Is there any > > reason > > > >> for dropping it? Keeping the history and the people who > > contributed > > > >> thus far would be nice to have. > > > >> > > > >> For the contribution model to this repository, I would > recommend > > the > > > >> usual process. Raise a JIRA ticket, file a PR, wait for review, > > and > > > >> then merge. > > > >> > > > >> Best, > > > >> Stamatis > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 8:45 AM Ayush Saxena < > ayush...@gmail.com > > <mailto:ayush...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> This is the new repo: > > > >>> https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box < > > https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box> > > > >>> > > > >>> It has the initial code from Zoltan, LICENSE, NOTICE & > > Disclaimer-WIP > > > >>> file + I added Apache Header to all the files wherever > > possible. We need > > > >> a > > > >>> docker space to push these built images, have requested INFRA > > for the > > > >> same. > > > >>> > > > >>> The repo is in WIP stage, If you find something problematic, > > please push > > > >> a > > > >>> fix to the repo or let me know. > > > >>> > > > >>> Some observations: > > > >>> * The build command works on x86 box only not on aarch64, > > > >>> * The github action to push the images doesn't work, that > needs > > to be > > > >> fixed > > > >>> > > > >>> -Ayush > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 21:55, Ayush Saxena < > ayush...@gmail.com > > <mailto:ayush...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I think we are now not using Zoltan's repo. We are using a > > fork from a > > > >>>> contributor in the hive code.[1], I will go ahead and create > a > > repo > > > >> under > > > >>>> Apache Hive for hive-dev-box tomorrow & put the LICENSE, > > NOTICE & > > > >>>> DISCLAIMER-WIP files in it, Then will take things from there, > > atleast > > > >> it > > > >>>> would be a starting point and all of us can take care of > > things from > > > >> there > > > >>>> slowly-slowly :-) > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Shout out, if anyone has objections around it. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Ayush > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [1] > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/hive/blob/1aeaff2057a2f4c241f8bcc53a2a529e6e7f45d4/Jenkinsfile#L124C44-L124C65 > > > < > > > https://github.com/apache/hive/blob/1aeaff2057a2f4c241f8bcc53a2a529e6e7f45d4/Jenkinsfile#L124C44-L124C65 > > > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, 6 Sept 2023 at 20:11, Stamatis Zampetakis < > > zabe...@gmail.com <mailto:zabe...@gmail.com>> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Based on the discussion under LEGAL-653, it seems that the > > only > > > >>>>> requirement to migrate the repos under the Apache namespace > > is to > > > >>>>> apply the AL2 license in the majority of the files in there. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I am looking for volunteers so that we can review the > > existing code in > > > >>>>> those repo and apply the AL2 license where possible. > > Depending on how > > > >>>>> many people step up we can divide the work accordingly. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It would be interesting to see if we can use RAT [1] to > > > >>>>> automate/assist in this process. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best, > > > >>>>> Stamatis > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> [1] > > https://creadur.apache.org/rat/apache-rat-plugin/usage.html < > > https://creadur.apache.org/rat/apache-rat-plugin/usage.html> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:05 AM Stamatis Zampetakis < > > > >> zabe...@gmail.com <mailto:zabe...@gmail.com>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> For the licensing question, I just created LEGAL-653 [1]. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-653 < > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-653> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:55 AM Stamatis Zampetakis < > > > >> zabe...@gmail.com <mailto:zabe...@gmail.com>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Creating the new repos should be kind of trivial. I think > I > > will > > > >> be > > > >>>>>>> able to do it using https://selfserve.apache.org/ < > > https://selfserve.apache.org/>. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Since this will bring quite a bit of code under the ASF I > > will > > > >> wait a > > > >>>>>>> couple of days till I create the new repos. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Once this is done, I think we can simply push the content > > from > > > >> the old > > > >>>>>>> repos to the new ones. To avoid any kind of IP problems it > > would > > > >> be > > > >>>>>>> best if Zoltan does this step. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> One thing that we may need to be careful about is the > > licensing of > > > >>>>>>> these repos. We are not going to make source releases from > > there > > > >> but > > > >>>>>>> since the code will be under the ASF namespace people will > > assume > > > >> that > > > >>>>>>> it is ASF licensed so they may start copy-pasting stuff > from > > > >> there. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Is there anything preventing us from putting the code > under > > the > > > >> AL2 > > > >>>>> license? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Best, > > > >>>>>>> Stamatis > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 6:14 PM Attila Turoczy > > > >>>>>>> <aturo...@cloudera.com.invalid> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Stamatis! Also, Zoltan for the "donation" :) > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Attila > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 4:53 PM Ayush Saxena < > > > >> ayush...@gmail.com <mailto:ayush...@gmail.com>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> +1, > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanx Stamatis foe initiating this. This was something > > which > > > >> was > > > >>>>> in my > > > >>>>>>>>> mind as well since long but couldn’t find time. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> -Ayush > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 23-Aug-2023, at 6:19 PM, Zoltan Haindrich < > > k...@rxd.hu <mailto:k...@rxd.hu>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hey Stamatis! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to donate these repos / help with the > > migration! > > > >>>>>>>>>> I should have done it earlier - but it was never top > > > >>>>> priority...thank > > > >>>>>>>>> you for initiating it! > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> cheers, > > > >>>>>>>>>> Zoltan > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/23/23 14:00, Stamatis Zampetakis wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Our precommit infrastructure uses code that resides in > > the > > > >>>>> following > > > >>>>>>>>> repos. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-test-kube < > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-test-kube> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-toolbox < > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-toolbox> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-dev-box < > > https://github.com/kgyrtkirk/hive-dev-box> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> These are mainly maintained by Zoltán Haindrich who is > > > >> always > > > >>>>> helpful > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and kind to investigate and resolve issues. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> For facilitating contributions from the apache > community > > > >> and > > > >>>>> also > > > >>>>>>>>>>> removing some burden from Zoltan's shoulders it may > be a > > > >> good > > > >>>>> time to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> migrate those and put them under the apache namespace. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> For the initial migration, we could have a > > straightforward > > > >> 1 > > > >>>>> to 1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> mapping as shown below: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/apache/hive-test-kube < > > https://github.com/apache/hive-test-kube> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/apache/hive-toolbox < > > https://github.com/apache/hive-toolbox> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> * https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box < > > https://github.com/apache/hive-dev-box> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> How do you feel about this? > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stamatis > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
