Hey, @Sergey: Thanks for your message. Which other HTTP connector are you referring to? Changing the bylaws requires a 2/3 majority. We can clarify the wording next time we need to make changes (I left a comment on that page).
@David: I will create the repo now On Mon, Jul 7, 2025 at 11:04 AM David Radley <david_rad...@uk.ibm.com> wrote: > Hi Sergey, > Thanks for your thoughts on this. > > I guess we could go some sort of retrospective to understand how > consistently the 2/3 majority was applied. > It is probably better to clarify the words – as you suggest. My take is we > should look to have the minimal admin and process to get things through in > a timely manner; where this is not appropriate is when some proposal > fundamentally changes Flink – these changes need proper consideration, and > the 2/3 majority would apply. I suggest the 2/3 majority should only be > used when necessary and should not be overused. > > Maybe a clarification could be along the lines of - If any member of the > PMC thinks that a Flip is sufficiently disruptive, they should propose that > the 2/3s majority be used. Would this help? > > Kind regards, David. > > From: Sergey Nuyanzin <snuyan...@gmail.com> > Date: Monday, 7 July 2025 at 09:21 > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Flip-532 Donate GetInData HTTP > Connector to Flink > Hi Robert and David > > Thank you for your clarifications. > > I'm not going to block or veto it, I have just raised a concern that > from one side there is an example with CDC connectors and from another > HTTP connector and they are handled differently. > > If you think it is ok, I'm fine with it. > > Maybe then we should add more clarifications about that in Flink > bylaws or some other place? > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2025 at 6:34 PM David Radley <david_rad...@uk.ibm.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi Sergey and Robert, > > In the Community Health Initiative workgroup we had discussed this and > Robert mentioned his line of thinking that this would need 3 votes rather > than the 2/3s of PMC. > > I agree with Robert when he says : > > > > I don't think a new connector changes the shape and direction of the > > project ? > > It's "just" a major change, requiring a FLIP. > > > > Saying that, we have only received support this Flip. I would love to > hear any specific concerns about this connector. It is not perfect and > could be more complete and will be further enhanced, but is it a big value > add for many use cases as-is. > > Kind regards, David. > > > > > > > > From: Robert Metzger <rmetz...@apache.org> > > Date: Thursday, 3 July 2025 at 07:27 > > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Flip-532 Donate GetInData HTTP > Connector to Flink > > Hey Sergey, > > > > I thought about this question as well, but in my opinion, a regular 3 > > binding PMC vote is sufficient here: > > > > The description of a new codebase adoption is: > > > > > Adoption of large existing external codebase. This refers to > contributions > > > big enough that potentially change the shape and direction of the > project > > > with massive restructuring and future maintenance commitment. > > > > > > I don't think a new connector changes the shape and direction of the > > project ? > > It's "just" a major change, requiring a FLIP. > > > > For me, the biggest concern with any new connector will be the lack of an > > active community around it. People willing to fix, review, release stuff. > > However, I did not bring this up, since two companies (IBM, GetInData) > seem > > to be actively using it, and the GH community is fairly active. > > I understand the desire of companies to make contributions to > repositories > > that are maintained by an independent organization (Apache), instead of a > > company (GetInData), that's why I support this FLIP. > > If you feel otherwise, you as a PMC member have the power to stop this > > effort, if you think it requires further discussion in the PMC. > > > > Best, > > Robert > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 8:17 AM Sergey Nuyanzin <snuyan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Thank you for your volunteering here David > > > > > > I don't want to be a devil's advocate however I'm not sure we can > > > consider it as a regular FLIP and accepted. > > > The reason I think this way is the current Flink Bylaws[1] and > > > especially telling that in case of "Adoption of New Codebase" > > > we need to achieve 2/3 majority of votes in order to accept it. The > > > similar thing happened while accepting CDC Flink connectors [3]. > > > Also binding votes in this cases are considered not the same way as > > > for regular FLIPs > > > > > > Please correct me if I'm wrong > > > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Flink+Bylaws > > > [2] > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026#FlinkBylaws-Actions > > > [3] https://lists.apache.org/thread/sq5w21tcomrmb025tl820cxty9l0z26w > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2025 at 3:48 PM David Radley <david_rad...@uk.ibm.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > The vote[1] on FLIP-532[2] concluded with the following results: > > > > > > > > Approving(+1) votes: > > > > > > > > Ferenc Csaky (binding) > > > > Gyula Fora (binding) > > > > Leonard Xu (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PoorVank Bhatia (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Sharath (non-binding) > > > > Nic Townsend (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Lajith Koova (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Tom Cooper (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Mark Nuttall (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Anu K T (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Mehdi Deboub (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Ammu P (non-binding) > > > > > > > > Sebastien Pereira (non-binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There were 3 binding, 10 non-binding and no disproving(-1) votes. > > > > > > > > I'm happy to announce that FLIP-532 has been approved. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > David > > > > > > > > [1] > https://lists.apache.org/thread/ft7cw2cy7g5cj3hyx6l9r1twnoy0wr0q > > > [2] > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-532%3A+Donate+GetInData+HTTP+Connector+to+Flink > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless otherwise stated above: > > > > > > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited > > > > Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 > > > > Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, > > > Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Sergey > > > > > > > Unless otherwise stated above: > > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited > > Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 > > Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, > Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN > > > > -- > Best regards, > Sergey > > Unless otherwise stated above: > > IBM United Kingdom Limited > Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 > Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, > Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN >
