Hi yuxia

Thanks for your input. The `AlterDatabaseEvent` extends
`DatabaseModificationEvent` which has the original database.

Best,
Shammon FY

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 2:24 PM yuxia <luoyu...@alumni.sjtu.edu.cn> wrote:

> Thanks Shammon for driving it.
> The FLIP generally looks good to me. I only have one question.
> WRT AlterDatabaseEvent, IIUC, it'll contain the origin database name and
> the new CatalogDatabase after modified. Is it enough only pass the origin
> database name? Will it be better to contain the origin CatalogDatabase so
> that listener have ways to know what changes?
>
> Best regards,
> Yuxia
>
> ----- 原始邮件 -----
> 发件人: "ron9 liu" <ron9....@gmail.com>
> 收件人: "dev" <dev@flink.apache.org>
> 发送时间: 星期三, 2023年 5 月 31日 上午 11:36:04
> 主题: Re: [DISCUSS] FLIP-294: Support Customized Job Meta Data Listener
>
> Hi, Shammon
>
> Thanks for driving this FLIP, It will enforce the Flink metadata capability
> from the platform produce perspective. The overall design looks good to me,
> I just have some small question:
> 1. Regarding CatalogModificationListenerFactory#createListener method, I
> think it would be better to pass Context as its parameter instead of two
> specific Object. In this way, we can easily extend it in the future and
> there will be no compatibility problems. Refer to
>
> https://github.com/apache/flink/blob/9880ba5324d4a1252d6ae1a3f0f061e4469a05ac/flink-table/flink-table-common/src/main/java/org/apache/flink/table/factories/DynamicTableFactory.java#L81
> 2. In FLIP, you mentioned that multiple Flink tables may refer to the same
> physical table, so does the Listener report this physical table repeatedly?
> 3. When registering a Listener object, will it connect to an external
> system such as Datahub? If the Listener object registration times out due
> to permission issues, it will affect the execution of all subsequent SQL,
> what should we do in this case?
>
> Best,
> Ron
>
> Shammon FY <zjur...@gmail.com> 于2023年5月31日周三 08:53写道:
>
> > Thanks Feng, the catalog modification listener is only used to report
> > read-only ddl information to other components or systems.
> >
> > > 1. Will an exception thrown by the listener affect the normal execution
> > process?
> >
> > Users need to handle the exception in the listener themselves. Many DDLs
> > such as drop tables and alter tables cannot be rolled back, Flink cannot
> > handle these exceptions for the listener. It will cause the operation to
> > exit if an exception is thrown, but the executed DDL will be successful.
> >
> > > 2. What is the order of execution? Is the listener executed first or
> are
> > specific operations executed first?  If I want to perform DDL permission
> > verification(such as integrating with Ranger based on the listener) , is
> > that possible?
> >
> > The listener will be notified to report catalog modification after DDLs
> are
> > successful, so you can not do permission verification for DDL in the
> > listener. As mentioned above, Flink will not roll back the DDL even when
> > the listener throws an exception. I think permission verification is
> > another issue and can be discussed separately.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Shammon FY
> >
> > On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 1:07 AM Feng Jin <jinfeng1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Shammon
> > >
> > > Thanks for driving this Flip, [Support Customized Job Meta Data
> Listener]
> > > will  make it easier for Flink to collect lineage information.
> > > I fully agree with the overall solution and have a small question:
> > >
> > > 1. Will an exception thrown by the listener affect the normal execution
> > > process?
> > >
> > > 2. What is the order of execution? Is the listener executed first or
> are
> > > specific operations executed first?  If I want to perform DDL
> permission
> > > verification(such as integrating with Ranger based on the listener) ,
> is
> > > that possible?
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Feng
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 4:09 PM Shammon FY <zjur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi devs,
> > > >
> > > > We would like to bring up a discussion about FLIP-294: Support
> > Customized
> > > > Job Meta Data Listener[1]. We have had several discussions with Jark
> > Wu,
> > > > Leonard Xu, Dong Lin, Qingsheng Ren and Poorvank about the functions
> > and
> > > > interfaces, and thanks for their valuable advice.
> > > > The overall job and connector information is divided into metadata
> and
> > > > lineage, this FLIP focuses on metadata and lineage will be discussed
> in
> > > > another FLIP in the future. In this FLIP we want to add a customized
> > > > listener in Flink to report catalog modifications to external
> metadata
> > > > systems such as datahub[2] or atlas[3]. Users can view the specific
> > > > information of connectors such as source and sink for Flink jobs in
> > these
> > > > systems, including fields, watermarks, partitions, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to hearing from you, thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-294%3A+Support+Customized+Job+Meta+Data+Listener
> > > > [2] https://datahub.io/
> > > > [3] https://atlas.apache.org/#/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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