So, what do we do with this now? On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to adding links > > In fact, all points should link to some documentation part. > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Gyula Fóra <gyula.f...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think the content is pretty good, much better than before. But the page >> structure could be better (and this is very important in my opinion). >> Now it just looks like a long list of features without any ways to >> navigate >> between them. We should probably have something at the top that summarizes >> the page. >> >> And maybe at the specific points we should add links to other pages (for >> instance internals pages). >> >> Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2015. júl. 7., K, >> 13:22): >> >> > I actually put quite some thought into the structure of the points. They >> > reflect pretty much what I observed (meetups and talks) where people get >> > excited and what they are missing. >> > >> > The structure follows the line of through of "stream processor that also >> > does batch very well". And then separate the features as they >> contribute to >> > that. >> > >> > Intermixing features across their relation to streaming and batch has >> not >> > worked out for my presentations at all. It came across that Flink is a >> > system with a multitude of aspects, but no one in the audience could >> really >> > say what Flink is good at in the end, where it stands out. >> > >> > The proposed structure makes this very clear: >> > >> > - Flink is a kick-ass stream processor (Strongest differentiation >> > from all other technology) >> > - Flink can also do batch very well (It is broadly applicable >> > and strong) >> > - It surfaces nice APIs and rich libraries (Low entry hurdle) >> > - It plays well with existing technology >> > >> > >> > Stephan >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Fabian Hueske <fhue...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > +1 for the clear and brief feature descriptions! >> > > >> > > I am not so sure about the structure of the points, especially >> separating >> > > "Streaming" and "Batch and Streaming in One System" does not support >> the >> > > message of a unified system, IMO. >> > > >> > > How about categorizing the points into three sections (Internals, API, >> > > Integration) and structuring the points for example as follows: >> > > >> > > -- High Performance, Robust Execution, and Fault-tolerance >> > > High performance >> > > Continuous Streaming Model with Flow Control >> > > Fault-tolerance via Lightweight Distributed Snapshots >> > > Memory Management >> > > Iterations and Delta Iterations >> > > >> > > -- Ease of use, APIs, and Clear Semantics >> > > One runtime for Streaming and Batch Processing >> > > Expressive APIs (Batch + Streaming) >> > > Exactly-once Semantics for Stateful Computations >> > > Program Optimizer >> > > Library Ecosystem >> > > >> > > -- Integration >> > > Broad Integration >> > > >> > > Cheers, Fabian >> > > >> > > 2015-07-07 10:39 GMT+02:00 Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org>: >> > > >> > > > I also like the new feature page. I better conveys the strong >> points of >> > > > Flink, since it's more to the point. >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Max! >> > > > > >> > > > > Did not even know we had a github mirror of the flink-web repo... >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Maximilian Michels < >> m...@apache.org> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Stephan, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the feature page update. I think it is much more >> > > informative >> > > > > and >> > > > > > better structured now. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > By the way, you could also open a pull request for your changes >> on >> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pulls >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Cheers, >> > > > > > Max >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Fabian Hueske < >> fhue...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'll be happy to help, eh draw ;-) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2015-07-06 15:22 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi all! >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think that the "Features" page of the website is a bit >> out of >> > > > date. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I made an effort to stub a new one. It is committed under " >> > > > > > > features_new.md >> > > > > > > > " >> > > > > > > > and not yet built as an HTML page. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you want to take a look and help building this, pull the >> > > > flink-web >> > > > > > git >> > > > > > > > repository and build the website locally. You can then look >> at >> > it >> > > > > > under " >> > > > > > > > http://localhost:4000/index_new.html"; >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So far, I am happy with the new contents. Three things >> remain >> > to >> > > be >> > > > > > done: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1) The page misses a figure on Streaming throughput and >> > latency. >> > > > > > > Currently, >> > > > > > > > I am using a figure from some preliminary measurements made >> by >> > > > > Marton. >> > > > > > > > IIRC, Robert is running some performance tests right now >> and we >> > > can >> > > > > use >> > > > > > > his >> > > > > > > > results to create a new figure. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2) The figures could use some love. The concept is good, but >> > the >> > > > > style >> > > > > > > is a >> > > > > > > > bit sterile. I was hoping that Fabian would help out with >> his >> > > > amazing >> > > > > > > style >> > > > > > > > of drawing figures ;-) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3) More people should have a look and say if we should >> replace >> > > the >> > > > > > > current >> > > > > > > > "Features" page with this new one >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Greetings, >> > > > > > > > Stephan >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >
