+1 for the fork. Thanks, Om
On Aug 28, 2017 10:05 PM, "Harbs" <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > Very well said. > > Let’s do this! :-) > > Harbs > > > On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:37 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID> > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I (and many others on the PMC) believe there are sufficient reasons to > ask > > the Apache Board of Directors to create a new Apache Top-Level Project > > called Apache FlexJS separate from Apache Flex. The Apache Board has > > approved splitting other projects in the past and the proposal below is > > based on a past proposal to split another Apache project. > > > > The main reason is that there seems to be a set of folks who are only > > working on Apache Flex and another set who are only working on FlexJS. > > Only a few have made commits to both products in the past year and the > > contribution to one product or the other was minimal. Second, forking > > should save time for folks only interested in Flex or FlexJS as you don't > > have to filter out emails, web site and wiki information and bugs reports > > that apply to the product you are not interested in. Third, forking > would > > give a cleaner opportunity to try out Apache's GitBox implementation that > > allows us to leverage more GitHub functionality and make GitHub more > > primary in our development pipeline. Fourth, many folks on the PMC have > > not been active in a long time, and a new project with a smaller PMC and > > committers list might make it more clear who is involved with FlexJS. > > > > --------- proposal ----------- > > > > Apache FlexJS for Apache Top-Level Project > > > > Abstract > > > > Apache FlexJS is a new implementation of the principles of Apache Flex > but > > designed for JavaScript runtimes instead of Adobe Flash/AIR runtimes. > > Apache FlexJS was created and released as part of the Apache Flex project > > and the UI framework is a full rewrite and does not leverage the code > > bases donated by Adobe. Only the FlexJS compiler source was donated by > > Adobe. > > > > Over time, the set of Apache Flex committers who are working on Apache > > Flex releases have become distinct from those working on FlexJS. Add to > > that the Adobe announcement of the end-of-life for Flash in the browser, > > it makes sense to separate FlexJS from Flex so that followers of one side > > or the other don't have to filter out emails, bugs, web pages, etc, that > > they don't need. > > > > The proposal is to form an Apache FlexJS top-level project instead of > > creating a new Incubator Podling. That is because all of the folks > being > > proposed to the new Apache FlexJS PMC below have been on the Apache Flex > > PMC for months, if not years, and understand how to participate > > productively in an Apache project. Plus, Apache FlexJS has already been > > released by the top-level Apache Flex project. > > > > Overview of FlexJS > > > > Apache FlexJS is designed to improve developer productivity in creating > > applications for wherever Javascript runs, including browsers as well as > > Apache Cordova applications, Node, etc. FlexJS already has an ecosystem > > of folks creating IDEs for FlexJS, and some folks are at various points > in > > the process of migrating existing Flex applications to FlexJS. > > > > Current Status > > > > Meritocracy > > > > Within Apache Flex, the FlexJS development has been conducted as a > > meritocracy. No existing FlexJS developers came with the compiler code > > base donated by Adobe nor were they on the initial committers list for > > Apache Flex other than Alex Harui. Everyone else has earned their way in > > by contributing and earning merit. > > > > Community > > > > Many FlexJS users are trying to migrate an existing Apache Flex app off > of > > Adobe Flash. As their migration progresses they will become less and > less > > interested in Apache Flex releases and activity. However, the Apache > Flex > > JIRA project contains some 30,000 Flex issues migrated from Adobe's bug > > base, and the team page for Flex makes it hard to determine which > > committers are active on FlexJS, and it is frequently hard to determine > if > > a user's question is about regular Flex or FlexJS. We are seeing an > > increase in user interest with the Flash end-of-life announcement and > > having separate mailing lists, web pages, and JIRA projects will help > save > > everyone time and energy. > > > > Alignment > > > > Apache FlexJS is already being released by Apache. > > > > Known Risks > > > > Code Extraction > > > > The flex-asjs, flex-tours, flex-typedefs, and flex-falcon Git repos would > > be migrated to GitBox. Other Apache Flex repos would be treated as > > external dependencies. This includes flex-utilities and the Apache Flex > > Installer. > > > > Orphaned Projects > > > > Most FlexJS PMC members are planning to remain on the Apache Flex PMC to > > help out just-in-case, but are already mostly inactive on the Flex code > > bases. However, there are at least 3 Apache Flex PMC members who have not > > contributed at all to FlexJS and participate in regular Flex releases, so > > the expectation is that Apache Flex will remain a viable project for some > > time to come. > > > > Inexperience with Open Source > > > > All of the initial team has been contributing to Apache Flex for months > if > > not years. > > > > Homogenous Developers > > > > No company employs more than two of the members of the initial team. > > > > Reliance on Salaried Developers > > > > Until about a year ago, only 2 of the proposed PMC members were paid to > > work on FlexJS. The rest contributed in their spare time. Two more are > > now paid to migrate an existing application and thus contribute to add > > missing features and fix bugs. By creating a separate project, we hope > to > > attract more folks who may not want to be involved with the legacy Apache > > Flex code. > > > > Relationship with Existing Apache Projects > > > > Apache FlexJS might use some releases from Apache Flex for some features > > or for an Installer app. FlexJS can be used to create Apache Cordova > > applications and we hope to find time to make the Cordova community aware > > of this capability. The Apache FlexJS Compiler has dependencies on > Apache > > Commons, and we use Apache Ant and Apache Maven for building the various > > release artifacts. > > > > Cryptography > > > > Apache FlexJS does not currently distribute cryptography code other than > > an MD5 hash algorithm. > > > > Required Resources > > > > Mailing Lists > > > > -private@ > > -dev@ > > -commits@ > > -users@ > > -issues@ > > > > Version Control > > > > We would like to use GitBox if it is practical to convert the current git > > repos listed above. We want to explore using GitHub's wiki and > > documentation tools. > > > > Issue Tracking > > > > If GitBox allows us to use GitHub issues, we will use that, otherwise, we > > will request a new JIRA project from Infra. > > > > Other Resources > > > > We would like to try using Git for our website version control and > > whatever the publishing process is. We will probably continue to run > jobs > > on builds.a.o. > > > > Initial PMC > > > > Harbs > > Yishay Weiss > > Alex Harui > > Peter Ent > > Josh Tynjala > > Piotr Zarzycki > > Carlos Rovira > > Greg Dove > > Erik De Bruin > > Omprakash Muppirala > > Frédéric Thomas > > Olaf Krueger > > Michael Schmalle > > Dave Fisher > > > > > > Initial Committers > > > > Christofer Dutz > > Andy Dufilie > > Darrell Loverin > > > > We propose Harbs as initial PMC Chair and VP Apache FlexJS. > > > > Affiliations > > > > Alex Harui and Peter Ent are currently employees of Adobe Systems Inc. > > Nobody else works for a large corporation. > > > > --------- end proposal ----------- > > > > > > It isn't clear how much longer Adobe will pay Peter and I to work on Flex > > and/or FlexJS. So getting rid of as much overhead as possible so we can > > try to get as many folks to use FlexJS in the next few months will help > > make a case to keep us on FlexJS longer. Yes there is a risk that > forking > > may be a distraction and cause a loss of momentum, but whether I get to > > continue full-time or in my spare-time, I want to make the most efficient > > use of my time. > > > > > > I will be stepping down as Apache Flex chair since I want to spend most > of > > my time on FlexJS. I will remain on the Apache Flex PMC to help out in > > case of emergency. > > > > Please provide feedback and questions ASAP. The plan is to have a vote > in > > a few days so we can present this proposal to the board around September > 1 > > so it can be on the September board agenda along with changes to the > > Apache Flex chair. > > > > > > Thanks, > > -Alex > > > >
