Thanks I need to communicate more. I've been updating the blog around twice a month now but haven't posted updates here. I was pretty burnt out at the time I had donated the code. I didn't want to look at it again and I didn't for months. I went back to school because I didn't have enough debt in my life. Actually, to study graphic design. That was educational but the school I was going to required me to take 3 non graphic design classes which left only 1 actual design class to receive financial aid. Yay for community college! But a long time friend at my school passed (alcohol poisoning). TMI but I couldn't go into the school and focus. So that and lack of financial aid (in the US they do not cover what you need 1/2 to 3/4ths) and I had to drop out. Sorry for over sharing but not sharing at all has caused more problems than I care to mention.
I read about the Visual Studio and that's amazing news. IIUC Visual Studio is not yet on the Mac but they have a new editor called Visual Studio Code, https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/code-vs.aspx. It's a good start. I still think the way they are doing it is patch upon patch... but then again there hasn't been an alternative that that crowd has accepted yet. I have many thoughts on that I'll save for another time. I read up on Eclipse plugin integration, bought a book on it and made an example plugin but that was before I even started Radiate and design view still existed. It was really tough to try and do layouts with it in Java after using MXML. It isn't as big a deal now as it was back then. If you really want to integrate it with Eclipse or local Flex projects email me or post on the list and I'll do what I can to help. There are some huge advantages to it integrating with real Flex projects. I've been putting some placeholders in the code for that use case. There are other priorities I feel are more important that I have to do first. If that's really something you want to see happen you'll want to work with updated code. And if someone really wants to help I'm putting parts in my github you can modify and I can pull them in. I would love to work on a larger scale but I don't know how to do that, what people would expect for helping, what people expect to be open or close sourced, if it should be free etc. It's takes a lot from my mental real estate. BTW If people want to help they can try the latest desktop version and give feedback, https://www.radii8.com/blog/?page_id=799. When you start it it will check for updates so you can keep up to date that way. Harbs, there was the spoon project but I don't think they ever raised any money for development. This is something as a community we really need to figure out... On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:13 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jude, > > Nice work on Radiate so far. I really hope the commercial version takes > off! > > I read through your rant, all the way to the end. I probably should have > posted this earlier, but I spent a long time trying to fit the donated > Radiate code into an Eclipse plugin. I have done similar flash content > based Eclipse plugins in the past and thought I could do something similar > with Radiate - i.e. try to make Radiate work with Flash Builder. > > Unfortunately, I dint (dont) have a lot of time to tinker with these > projects and kind of dropped that experiment a while ago. I should have at > least posted a note about my effort on the dev list. At least to show that > there is still interest in your cool design view. My bad :-( > > On your side, periodic updates (which you have started doing of late) on > the dev mailing list would be useful. Something along the lines of "I've > added these new features, can someone please try it out and post > feedback". In my experience, sending these emails out are very useful to > have the code tested and also to get the attention of potential > contributors. > > I am still hoping to pick up my Radiate-as-Eclipse-plugin experiment soon. > I am also considering the recently open sourced Visual Studio as a > potential target to plug in Radiate [1] > > I really hope others join you in your effort to build a great visual design > tool for Flex and FlexJS. > > Thanks, > Om > > [1] > https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-community-vs.aspx > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 12:35 AM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > BTW I do plan to help on Flex JS when the time is right. That is when > it's > > more stable, when it has a few more design and development features to > it. > > > > In Radiate I have Import and Export transpilers. For MXML it's been easy > to > > import and export (sortof). For HTML export it's been hell and the bain > of > > my existence. For Android XML markup it's as easy as MXML. > > > > With FlexJS it shouldn't be too much harder to generate FlexJS compatible > > MXML than regular MXML export. FYI Radiate exports markup layouts in the > > language of your choice from the design view. Each component on the stage > > has an associated component descriptor object that has properties, > styles, > > events and a reference to the instance. Using this information you can > > export to whatever language you like. > > > > Relatively recently, I switched to working on a desktop "IDE" rather than > > the web "design view". mainly because no one wants to work in a browser. > > Well maybe but the numbers weren't there and people would ask for > features > > that weren't possible in a browser. So I created a desktop version in a > few > > days, yay for AIR cross-platform, and just for kicks enabled AceEditor > > < > > > https://github.com/monkeypunch3/flexcapacitor/blob/master/MainLibrary/src/com/flexcapacitor/controls/AceEditor.as > > > > > which I tried to integrate in the past but wouldn't work with Flash. The > > new version worked and now it has a real editor <http://ace.c9.io/> in > it. > > > > So since R8 is running on the desktop and it has a real editor it's > > possible to talk to the compilers and get error reporting and warnings. I > > don't know how to do code completion but AceEditor has a code completion > > API. As you type you can pass JSON objects of possible autocomplete > words. > > I know how to do the examples but I don't know how to do it with FlexJS, > > Flex, etc. CSS and HTML have code completion out of the box. > > > > Anyway, whatever Josh, Alex, Harbs, et all do not do I hope to do. I plan > > to add some support for FlexJS code generation (and possibly compiler > > integration). Create new projects, edit them and compile them. Again, I > > don't know how to do code completion with AS3, Flex, FlexJS, etc. > > > > BTW I am open sourcing parts of it as I go such as the importers and > > exporters, new components and other classes. So if you don't like how I > > export the MXML or HTML you can go to FlexCapacitor, > > https://github.com/monkeypunch3/flexcapacitor, make some changes and > then > > submit a pull request. > > > > Do not read this next part unless you want to hear me ranting and > > complaining. But because it's unclear to some people I'm mentioning this > > project I'm going to clarify some things. I donated the radiate code more > > than a year ago to apache. There was a huge amount of overhead and legal > > bureaucracy to accomplish it. I thought people would want it but there > was > > resistance. "Was it good enough? Do we want it? Does it fit at apache" - > to > > me I was almost felt like saying saying, "f*@0 you guys" I made this for > > you as a gift and you don't know if you want it? > > I worked on the project in my free time for years and couldn't believe > > what I was hearing. It was not a good month. A few people supported me > > donating it and I thought the Flex community might care about having a > > design view again at some point in the future. Since it was donated I > > didn't hear anyone working on it or any interest in taking it farther. > Not > > on this list. In my personal email a few people were happy to see > something > > but didn't have the time or resources to help. I wasn't too upset because > > to be honest parts of it were shit but those parts had to be written > > quickly so the other parts could work. I could always go back and fix it > > and one startup developer I talked to gave me the advice that the first > gen > > code is always throw away. In my mind it was "refactor". His startup was > > doing well > > > > So again I was surprised an open source project was not fully embraced, > > appreciated or supported. ... I could go on but my whole point is that > open > > source has a bunch of lies surrounding it. Look at OpenSSL. It powered > half > > the webs ecommerce and do you know how much money was donated > > < > > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/tech-giants-chastened-by-heartbleed-finally-agree-to-fund-openssl/ > > > > > to it? It was something like $2000 per year and was maintained by one > > developer. WTF guys? > > > > That project generated billions of dollars and no one supported it. My > > point is, after that first point, is that I'm trying to commercial > radiate > > so that I can keep working on it. I'm giving some parts back to the OS > > community as I can but some part of me feels like I have to explain this. > > Like I'm not part of the OS crowd because I'm trying to make it survive. > > > > I'm happy for this FlexJS and NextGenActionScript but seriously, we suck > > donkey balls at raising money and supporting our work. Angular, > typscript, > > all those other ones are getting resources, popularity in the biased > > asshole media. The company that shall not be named was horrible and still > > is horrible at marketing. I made a list and they are the number one worst > > company for marketing. So my point is we have to change or get better at > > this. If the media attacks it rip these assholes apart. IE defend it > with a > > vengeance. > > > > Sorry rant over. If legal gets in the way F* them too. Justin, keep > > watching our back but if all the legal is prevent releases or progress > FUCK > > IT. Just get shit out. ok rant really over now. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I saw this on Twitter, ""Introducing NextGen ActionScript" via @ > > > *joshtynjala* <https://twitter.com/joshtynjala> => http:// > > > joshblog.net/2015/introducing-nextgen-actionscript/ … > > > <https://t.co/AnMp1Vw7p7>" > > > > > > Not to be nitpicky but I think it's misleading. I'm stoked about the > new > > > website and tutorials. In fact everything, but when I read, "NextGen > > > ActionScript" I thought of the NextGen AS3 project that Adobe started > and > > > then abandoned. Knowing that it wasn't the Adobe project but knowing > what > > > you've been working on I immediately did believe AS3 was going to be > > > getting new features. I didn't want to get my hopes up that it was an > > AS3.5 > > > or AS4 type of project but after reading the blog post I was still > > > disappointed even with all of the good news in it. > > > > > > To me the title is misleading and other AS3 devs may respond the same > way > > > when they read it. While we are trying to announce the good news about > > F-JS > > > we might want to make clearer the distinction. BTW If these things are > > > planned and or I've misunderstood let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for the reminder. I'll get the trademark attribution cleaned up > > >> this > > >> week. > > >> > > >> Would it be acceptable to create a specific legal page, linked from > the > > >> footer, that displays the Apache Flex trademark attribution text? I > > should > > >> probably acknowledge some Adobe trademarks too, just to be safe, so > > that's > > >> going to be a lot to add to the footer. The page you linked seems to > > imply > > >> that's allowed, as long as all trademark attribution is in the same > > place, > > >> but I figured I'd check. > > >> > > >> - Josh > > >> On Nov 29, 2015 2:10 AM, "Justin Mclean" <justinmcl...@me.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > We have to be a little careful here to not be seen to endorse 3rd > > >> parties > > >> > from our official site. > > >> > > > >> > Currently that code is "Copyright 2015 Bowler Hat LLC” and not under > > any > > >> > obvious license, it would be nice if that was made clearer. > > >> > > > >> > Josh it would also be good if you attribute Apache trademarks > > correctly > > >> > [1] and if you could and link back to the Apache Flex web site. Just > > >> adding > > >> > a TM to the first mention and a line in the footer is all that is > > >> needed. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > Justin > > >> > > > >> > 1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#guidelines > > >> > > > > > > > > >
