> It would be a separate compile as you noted but what other choice is there if 
> we don't have access to the FB sources?

I don't see another choice. I vote for abandoning FB and trying to get another 
IDE to do proper Falcon integration.

> FB uses Falcon for code hinting today.

FB uses the pre-donation com.adobe Falcon classes for code hinting.

- Gordon

-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Loverin [mailto:dlove...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:32 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org; Erik de Bruin
Subject: Re: [Falcon] BasicTests compiles and runs

It would be a separate compile as you noted but what other choice is there if 
we don't have access to the FB sources?

>>You definitely wouldn't get Falcon-based code hinting, and the data 
>>structures of the old Code Model would be taking up memory.

Not sure why we wouldn't get Falcon-based code hinting. FB uses Falcon for code 
hinting today. Not planning to change that.


On 9/4/13 1:20 PM, "Gordon Smith" <gosm...@adobe.com> wrote:

>> The current FB can't use Falcon
>
>By making a new flex-compiler-oem.jar based on Falcon, you could make 
>FB use Falcon to compile. But I don't think you'd get memory-resident 
>data structures, which was one of the main points of Falcon... I think 
>with the flex-compiler-oem.jar approach you'd be starting over with 
>each compilation, parsing files, parsing SWCs, building symbol tables.
>(Darrell, am I wrong here?)
>
>You definitely wouldn't get Falcon-based code hinting, and the data 
>structures of the old Code Model would be taking up memory.
>
>The point of Falcon was to have the code hinting and the compilation 
>share data structures that are resident in memory.
>
>- Gordon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosm...@adobe.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:14 AM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org; Erik de Bruin
>Subject: RE: [Falcon] BasicTests compiles and runs
>
>> FLEX_COMPILER_HOME
>
>I thought Alex wanted to start including Falcon as part of the SDK. If 
>that's the case, the Falcon JARs belong in the same lib directory as 
>all the other JARs, including those for the old compiler, and there 
>wouldn't be different "homes" for the two compilers. But there still 
>needs to be a switch to tell the launch scripts which JAR  to use.
>
>> But I think getting FB to use Falcon ...
>
>The current FB can't use Falcon because we had to rename every package 
>from com.adobe to org.apache when we donated Falcon.
>
>- Gordon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Darrell Loverin [mailto:dlove...@adobe.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:59 AM
>To: dev@flex.apache.org; Erik de Bruin
>Subject: Re: [Falcon] BasicTests compiles and runs
>
>I agree that an environment variable is a good way to break the flex 
>sdk and compiler location dependencies. I'd suggest something like 
>FLEX_COMPILER_HOME rather than a codename like "FALCON".
>
>It would be pretty quick to see if this would work:
>
>1. Command line - flex scripts defer to an alternate compiler's scripts
>(falcon) using an environment variable.
>2. Ant scripts - find new location of flexTasks.jar from environment 
>variable.
>
>But I think getting FB to use Falcon to create SWFs will more difficult 
>since we don't have access to the FB source. I believe that FB is not 
>only dependent on flex-compiler-oem.jar (oem api) but it cheats is also 
>dependent on mxmlc.jar. An approach I think could work is to create a 
>modified version of flex-compiler-oem.jar that satisfies FB and calls 
>falcon jars. You could think of the oem api having two major parts.
>The first part is where FB calls in to convert its settings into mxmlc 
>configuration settings. The second part sets the configuration and then 
>compiles. We can probably keep the first part mostly in place. We 
>modify the second part to get the configuration options as a command 
>line string and use that to kick off the falcon build.
>
>
>-Darrell
>
>
>On 9/3/13 7:02 PM, "Gordon Smith" <gosm...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>>Ah. Then maybe set a FALCON environment variable to true and have the 
>>launch scripts check it?
>>
>>- Gordon
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 3:58 PM
>>To: dev@flex.apache.org; Erik de Bruin
>>Subject: Re: [Falcon] BasicTests compiles and runs
>>
>>Yeah, but I think FB only knows how to find and launch mxmlc.  And 
>>folks with ant scripts, etc, should be able to switch easily.
>>
>>The shell script and batch files could check some environment 
>>variable, but I think some other places load up mxmlc.jar and start talking 
>>to it.
>>
>>-Alex
>>
>>On 9/3/13 3:52 PM, "Gordon Smith" <gosm...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The simplest thing is just to have dual launch scripts: fmxmlc
>>>(Falcon) vs. mxmlc (old compiler), fcompc vs. compc, etc.
>>>
>>>- Gordon
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 2:45 PM
>>>To: dev@flex.apache.org; Erik de Bruin
>>>Subject: Re: [Falcon] BasicTests compiles and runs
>>>
>>>Excellent.  I'll try it out now.
>>>
>>>Now that you've seen how we manage the source code in Git for Apache 
>>>Flex, what do you think we should do about packaging up Falcon to 
>>>work with an Apache Flex SDK?  There would need to be some sort of "switch"
>>>to allow someone to go back to the old MXMLC if they need to.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-Alex
>>>
>>>On 9/3/13 2:37 PM, "Darrell Loverin" <dlove...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Added a patch for the implicit import issue:
>>>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33701
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-Darrell
>>>>
>>>>On 9/3/13 4:08 PM, "Darrell Loverin" <dlove...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The below args almost work for me from eclipse. There are three 
>>>>>undefined classes because "flash.filters.*" is not auto included.
>>>>>I'm close to have the fix for that.
>>>>> 
>>>>>args:
>>>>>/Users/dloverin/git-src/ApacheFlex/source/flex-sdk/frameworks/tests
>>>>>/
>>>>>b
>>>>>a
>>>>>sic
>>>>>T
>>>>>e
>>>>>sts/BasicTests.mxml -debug
>>>>>-library-path+=/Users/dloverin/git-src/ApacheFlex/source/flex-sdk/m
>>>>>-library-path+u
>>>>>-library-path+s
>>>>>-library-path+t
>>>>>-library-path+ell
>>>>>a
>>>>>/
>>>>>mustella.swc
>>>>>
>>>>>Vmargs:
>>>>>-Xmx1024m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false 
>>>>>-Dflexlib=/Users/dloverin/git-src/ApacheFlex/source/flex-sdk/framew
>>>>>o
>>>>>r
>>>>>k
>>>>>s
>>>>>-Dflexcompiler=/Users/dloverin/git-src/ApacheFlex/source/falcon/com
>>>>>p
>>>>>i
>>>>>l
>>>>>er
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-Darrell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 9/3/13 2:49 PM, "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll try when I get back to my computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent via the PANTECH Discover, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I did an 'ant wipe' which seems to delete 'generated'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>EdB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am using a launch configuration in eclipse. Maybe the jars in 
>>>>>>>generated are not updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent via the PANTECH Discover, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am, last commit showing is "more fixes for BasicTests..."
>>>>>>> (6b5dbbcbbda894b7c7b2998af0fe4776862769cd)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Falcon builds fine, all tests pass. I've added the 
>>>>>>> "generated/dist/sdk/bin" directory to my PATH and cd to the 
>>>>>>> basicTests dir before running "mxmlc basicTests.mxml".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The start of the terminal output is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Using Flex SDK: /Applications/Adobe Flash Builder 
>>>>>>>4.7/sdks/4.10.0
>>>>>>>(nightly)
>>>>>>> Loading configuration: /Applications/Adobe Flash Builder
>>>>>>> 4.7/sdks/4.10.0 (nightly)/frameworks/flex-config.xml
>>>>>>> Loading configuration:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>/Users/erik/Documents/ApacheFlex/git/flex-sdk/frameworks/tests/ba
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>i
>>>>>>>c
>>>>>>>Tes
>>>>>>>t
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>/BasicTests-config.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not adding bindable variable trait for disclosureGroup in Qname:
>>>>>>> Group::{PackageNs:"spark.components"}
>>>>>>> not adding bindable variable trait for editor in Qname:
>>>>>>> TextInput::{PackageNs:"spark.components"}
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>/Users/erik/Documents/ApacheFlex/git/flex-sdk/frameworks/tests/ba
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>i
>>>>>>>c
>>>>>>>Tes
>>>>>>>t
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>/dmv/scripts/ADGTestScript.mxml
>>>>>>> Error: Internal error in syntax tree request subsystem, when 
>>>>>>>generating code for:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>/Users/erik/Documents/ApacheFlex/git/flex-sdk/frameworks/tests/ba
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>i
>>>>>>>c
>>>>>>>Tes
>>>>>>>t
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>/dmv/scripts/ADGTestScript.mxml:
>>>>>>> java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 0  at 
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.MXMLCompilationUnit.handl
>>>>>>>e
>>>>>>>S
>>>>>>>y
>>>>>>>nta
>>>>>>>x
>>>>>>>T
>>>>>>>reeRequest(MXMLCompilationUnit.java:89)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.CompilationUnitBase.proce
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>S
>>>>>>>ynt
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>x
>>>>>>>TreeRequest(CompilationUnitBase.java:829)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.CompilationUnitBase.acces
>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>$
>>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>00(
>>>>>>>C
>>>>>>>o
>>>>>>>mpilationUnitBase.java:107)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.CompilationUnitBase$2$1.c
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>(Co
>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>p
>>>>>>>ilationUnitBase.java:259)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.CompilationUnitBase$2$1.c
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>(Co
>>>>>>>m
>>>>>>>p
>>>>>>>ilationUnitBase.java:255)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.requests.RequestMaker$1.c
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>(Re
>>>>>>>q
>>>>>>>u
>>>>>>>estMaker.java:228)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.units.requests.RequestMaker$1.c
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>l
>>>>>>>(Re
>>>>>>>q
>>>>>>>u
>>>>>>>estMaker.java:222)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>java.util.concurrent.FutureTask$Sync.innerRun(FutureTask.java:303
>>>>>>>)  at java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:138)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(ThreadPool
>>>>>>>E
>>>>>>>x
>>>>>>>e
>>>>>>>cut
>>>>>>>o
>>>>>>>r
>>>>>>>.java:895)
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExec
>>>>>>>u
>>>>>>>t
>>>>>>>o
>>>>>>>r.j
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>v
>>>>>>>a:918)
>>>>>>> at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:680)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This "Error: Internal error..." bit is then repeated - with 
>>>>>>> minor variations - the kazillion times mentioned, all in a split second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>> Are you on the develop branch?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent via the PANTECH Discover, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erik de Bruin <e...@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just tried to comile basicTests with Falcon, but even after 
>>>>>>>>some tweaking and rebuilding I get a kazillion errors like this
>>>>>>>>one:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Error: Internal error in ABC generator subsystem, when 
>>>>>>>>generating code
>>>>>>>> for: 
>>>>>>>>/Users/erik/Documents/ApacheFlex/git/flex-sdk/frameworks/tests/b
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>>i
>>>>>>>>cTe
>>>>>>>>s
>>>>>>>>t
>>>>>>>>s/halo/scripts/ComboBoxTestScript.mxml:
>>>>>>>> java.lang.NullPointerException
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I finally got Falcon to compile and run BasicTests 
>>>>>>>>>successfully using the "old codegen".  BasicTests is the test 
>>>>>>>>>that runs when you run "ant checkintests".  Next task is to get 
>>>>>>>>>it to run with the mxml.children-as-data flag.  After that, 
>>>>>>>>>I'll be trying to get my internal customer's app to run.
>>>>>>>>> Far off is getting BasicTests to run without Flash because 
>>>>>>>>>we'd need to have JS versions of all of these components, but 
>>>>>>>>>getting this far means that Falcon's MXML handling is in decent shape.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Darrell Loverin and Gordon Smith for code and advice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>>>>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> T. 06-51952295
>>>>>>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>>>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T. 06-51952295
>>>>>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Ix Multimedia Software
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>>>>>3521 VB Utrecht
>>>>>>
>>>>>>T. 06-51952295
>>>>>>I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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