Thanks Max for both choosing ECharts and helping us with graduation. We really appreciate it.
Our maturity model is available at [1] and checklist is [2]. We are currently discussing potential blocks before we start a vote. So please tell us if you find something should be changed. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ECHARTS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+ECharts [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ECHARTS/ECharts+Graduation+Check+List Thanks *Ovilia* On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:43 AM Maxime Beauchemin <m...@preset.io> wrote: > Hi all! I recently subscribed to the mailing list and wanted to introduce > myself and offer some help. > > My name is Max and I'm the original creator of Apache Airflow (top level) > and Apache Superset (soon to graduate). The Superset community is currently > voting on this Superset Improvement Proposal [SIP-50] Proposal for using > ECharts as our main charting library > <https://github.com/apache/incubator-superset/issues/10418>, looking > forward to collaborate! > <https://github.com/apache/incubator-superset/issues/10418> > > I wanted to see how we might be able to help ECharts' graduation process as > we kick off our process for Superset. Do you all have a checklist and items > you're looking for help/support? > > Thanks, > > Max > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:43 AM Sheng Qian <quillq...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I agree with softer way raising concern between ASF official and > > community, including: > > - Using different domain other than Apache hosting external content > > including Gallery, Extension, etc. Marking out something like “this is > not > > officially distributed by ASF” just like cookie collecting announcement > on > > websites. > > - For customized build service on browser, keep the service but also > > stated out builded version can not represent official version and it is > not > > for re-distributing. > > > > Quill > > (Actually another Sheng but to avoid confusion I will use my nickname) > > > > > 在 2020年8月3日，20:54，Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> 写道： > > > > > > Yi Shen <shenyi....@gmail.com> 于2020年8月3日周一 下午7:21写道： > > > > > >>> > > >>> From my side, this is not the difference. The download source package > > is > > >>> never been voted is my concern. > > >>> I know the logically, it is just a subset, but whether there is a > > change > > >> or > > >>> unexpected files in the final download, we don't know. And no one > would > > >>> check. > > >>> The whole vote/check process is for manual confirmation about that, > the > > >>> source release is 100% following the ASF requirements. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I think I get your point. An important reason is the build script used > > on > > >> the custom builder page is not been checked and voted. > > >> I agree to remove this page. But there are still about 1.5k developers > > >> using this online tool everyday. > > >> We should take it carefully to guide these developers to build from > > source > > >> in local. > > >> > > > > > > I think you could start a discussion in the gerneral@incubator, to > check > > > others' ideas. Maybe they have a better solution than removing it. > > > For that page, I think you could have a terminal simulation on that > page, > > > and guide users on how to use the local command at least. > > > Or provide a docker image, which including all necessary env, then you > > just > > > provide one command. Docker image could make the pre-requirement env > have > > > been installed correctly. > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:28 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Yi Shen <shenyi....@gmail.com> 于2020年8月3日周一 下午4:14写道： > > >>> > > >>>> Hi, Sheng > > >>>> > > >>>> The point is, you only vote for the source tar, which includes all > > >>>>> contents, with an ASC and sha512 sign. So, only that is an official > > >>>> apache > > >>>>> release. > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I want to explain it a bit more. What we thought is bringing the > local > > >>> CLI > > >>>> to the web. > > >>>> In which developers can > > >>>> > > >>>> 1. Choose a version from the source tar list which have been voted. > > >>>> 2. Download the tar and check sha512 on the browser. > > >>>> 3. Unzip the tar and build the source into a single js file on the > > >>> browser. > > >>>> 4. Download the customized built js file. > > >>>> > > >>>> I guess the main difference between this and the local CLI is all > the > > >>>> processes are on the browser. > > >>>> Please remind us if we missed anything that may cause potential > risks > > >> in > > >>>> it. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> From my side, this is not the difference. The download source package > > is > > >>> never been voted is my concern. > > >>> I know the logically, it is just a subset, but whether there is a > > change > > >> or > > >>> unexpected files in the final download, we don't know. And no one > would > > >>> check. > > >>> The whole vote/check process is for manual confirmation about that, > the > > >>> source release is 100% following the ASF requirements. > > >>> > > >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Regards. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:03 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Ovilia <oviliazh...@gmail.com> 于2020年8月3日周一 下午2:52写道： > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks Sheng for the checking. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Here're my thoughts on these issues: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 1. I was referring to [1] when checking the navigator. I thought > it > > >>>> meant > > >>>>>> if there's a > > >>>>>> "Sponsorship" link, it should link to xxx but I didn't realize it > > >>> means > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>> link is > > >>>>>> mandatory. The following link should be added: > > >>>>>> Sponsorship, Thanks, Apache Software Foundation. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Use this to check the potential issue. > > >>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/clutch/echarts.html > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> 2. Gallery is a place to host ECharts works from the community, > > >>>> something > > >>>>>> similar > > >>>>>> to jsfiddle or codepen. The server is currently hosted on a Baidu > > >>>> server > > >>>>>> and we don't > > >>>>>> have a current plan to donate it to ASF. > > >>>>>> How about removing the project from the navigator and list it > > >>> somewhere > > >>>>> as > > >>>>>> a > > >>>>>> community resource? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Agree, should make it clear, that is a part of community/ecosystem. > > >> And > > >>>> not > > >>>>> a part of ASF or Apache release. They just extend the Apache > ECharts. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 3. Theme files are included in the source release [2] and the > > >> current > > >>>>>> download-theme page > > >>>>>> uses convenient binary files hosted on our server. Is this a > > >> problem? > > >>>>>> Extensions are mostly made by the community so they are links to > > >>>> related > > >>>>>> GitHub projects. > > >>>>>> I think we should put a more clear instruction on the > > >>>>>> download-extention page [3] that > > >>>>>> these projects are made by the community. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I just prefer to provide a clear statement and catalogs about links > > >> to > > >>>> 3rd > > >>>>> party extensions, or Apache release. > > >>>>> That includes, how and where to report the bug/security issue when > > >>> those > > >>>>> extensions have issues. > > >>>>> Also, where should hold their discussion, such as enhancement, > > >>> iteration. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 4. The tools are currently under translation. We didn't put a > "help > > >>>>>> translate" note because > > >>>>>> we have already found the people who wish to translate and it > > >> should > > >>> be > > >>>>>> done within a few > > >>>>>> weeks. Before then, the English Website will have a "(in Chinese)" > > >>> note > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>> the navigator. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Good to know the progress. Could you check whether they could > finish > > >>>> those > > >>>>> before the graduation discussion in the incubator? I hope to ease > > >> other > > >>>>> people's concern. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 5. The custom build is used to build a release with the least > > >> source > > >>>>> files > > >>>>>> required. > > >>>>>> I think the biggest concern here is that it is not using the > source > > >>>> files > > >>>>>> voted. > > >>>>>> How about we change the Web front-end logic to get the source file > > >>> from > > >>>>>> Apache SVN > > >>>>>> that has been voted, to build and be downloaded? Does that seem to > > >>> work > > >>>>> for > > >>>>>> you? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The point is, you only vote for the source tar, which includes all > > >>>>> contents, with an ASC and sha512 sign. So, only that is an official > > >>>> apache > > >>>>> release. > > >>>>> If you provide downloads to that only, it is OK. Or, if you prefer > > >> the > > >>>>> custom mode, do you could provide a local tool to repackage the > > >> source > > >>>>> code? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation > > >>>>>> [2] > > >>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/echarts/4.8.0/ > > >>>>>> [3] https://echarts.apache.org/en/download-extension.html > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> *Ovilia* > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:31 AM Kevin A. McGrail < > > >>> kmcgr...@apache.org> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I do not know about the links checker but I do remember there was > > >>>>>>> something cobbled together. All it is doing is testing for this > > >>>>> policy: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs#navigation > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 8/2/2020 10:56 PM, Sheng Wu wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Hi, Ovilia > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I don't remember, but there is a website link check in the > > >>>> incubator, > > >>>>>>> does > > >>>>>>>> anyone/mentor remember this? > > >>>>>>>> From I read from your website, questions > > >>>>>>>> 1. There are some links missing. You could compare it with > > >>>>>>>> http://skywalking.apache.org/ links menu. > > >>>>>>>> 2. There is a menu, called Gallary Chinese. What is that? From > > >> my > > >>>>>>> reading, > > >>>>>>>> it seems more like extensions/plugins? Who owns (s) this repo? > > >>>>>>>> 3. Download part, theme, and extension, what are the > > >> differences > > >>>>>> between > > >>>>>>>> these two and Gallary? And I don't remember there is any > > >> official > > >>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>> process(vote/license check, etc.) about these. Could you > > >> clarify > > >>>> what > > >>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>>> are? > > >>>>>>>> 4. About the tool(s). From my understanding, they are > > >>> configuration > > >>>>>>>> generation for ECharts, why they are Chinese only, and do you > > >>> have > > >>>>> open > > >>>>>>>> process about how to contribute on these tools? > > >>>>>>>> 5. I noticed `Option 3: Custom Build` on the website download > > >>> page, > > >>>>> how > > >>>>>>>> this works? I am a little worried about it breaks the ASF > > >> release > > >>>>>>> process. > > >>>>>>>> Because, the source release(js mostly is not source, no binary) > > >>> is > > >>>>>> never > > >>>>>>>> being voted. I could get the points, seems you provide the > > >> users > > >>> to > > >>>>>> get a > > >>>>>>>> subset of the entire source tar. But the unvoted source tars > > >> make > > >>>> me > > >>>>>>> unsure > > >>>>>>>> whether this is acceptable in the ASF. What other mentors > > >> think? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >>>>>>>> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Ovilia <oviliazh...@gmail.com> 于2020年8月3日周一 上午10:25写道： > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Dear mentors, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Can you help us review the graduation related documents and > > >> see > > >>> if > > >>>>>>> there is > > >>>>>>>>> something > > >>>>>>>>> to be improved? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> *Ovilia* > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:59 AM siwen su <susiw...@gmail.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have nothing to say about website, It apply all rules of > > >>>> Apache, > > >>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>> most > > >>>>>>>>>> importantly, add some very useful features. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> About reserving initial PPMC qualification, since I haven't > > >>> work > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>> them, > > >>>>>>>>>> but I read about the history of ECharts, Mr Lin Zhifeng and > > >> Mr > > >>>> Dong > > >>>>>> Rui > > >>>>>>>>> had > > >>>>>>>>>> made remarkable contributions to ECharts, even thought they > > >>>> haven't > > >>>>>>>>>> contribute during incubating but It can't change the fact > > >> that > > >>>> they > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>> laid the foundation for ECharts, so naming they as PMC in > > >>> future > > >>>>>> would > > >>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>> reasonable > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> As for the password, distribute it via private mail list > > >>> wasn't a > > >>>>>> great > > >>>>>>>>>> idea,, like @zhongxiang mentioned, someone else would "steal" > > >>> it, > > >>>>>>>>>> especially we have discussed on dev mail list which lots of > > >>>> people > > >>>>>> know > > >>>>>>>>> how > > >>>>>>>>>> passport would be distributed. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Best regard > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Siwen Su > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Zhongxiang Wang <wan...@apache.org> 于2020年7月30日周四 下午12:57写道： > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. The current website is following the guide of podling > > >>> website > > >>>>> and > > >>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>> all right for me. > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Sending an important private key or password on email > > >>> without > > >>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>>>> encryption is obviously so unsafe. Some email clients don’t > > >>>>> encrypt > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> email content by default and this may lead to a leak of > > >>> content > > >>>> if > > >>>>>>> it’s > > >>>>>>>>>>> intercepted during the transmission. So it’s better to > > >> enable > > >>>>> email > > >>>>>>>>>>> encryption in email client and encrypt the raw password or > > >> any > > >>>>> other > > >>>>>>>>>>> important information in the content of the email by some > > >>>> advanced > > >>>>>>>>>> patterns > > >>>>>>>>>>> difficult to crack before sending to a mailing list or > > >>>> elsewhere. > > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. As for the early PMCs and committers, we should always > > >> keep > > >>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>> founder > > >>>>>>>>>>> Zhifeng Lin as PMC, who is so essential to ECharts project. > > >>> As I > > >>>>>> know, > > >>>>>>>>>> he’s > > >>>>>>>>>>> been helping silently ECharts project improve and develop by > > >>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>> professional suggestions. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>> Zhongxiang Wang. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 2020/07/27 05:07:23, Ovilia <oviliazh...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache ECharts (incubating) has learned and grown a lot > > >> since > > >>>> our > > >>>>>>>>>>>> incubation in Jan > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2018. Now, I'm glad to call on a discussion about whether > > >> we > > >>>> are > > >>>>>>>>> ready > > >>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> graduation and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what remains to be done. Hopefully, after this discussion, > > >> we > > >>>> can > > >>>>>> set > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> status to be > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "near graduation" in the monthly report. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Updates since incubation: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 2 new PPMCs (and another has completed the vote and > > >>>> undergoing > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> process) and 7 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> new committers were elected and joined the community [1] > > >> and > > >>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we have committers working for more than 6 different > > >>> companies. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Our mailing list [2] is very active and we have 79 people > > >>>>>>>>> subscribed > > >>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Released 8 versions by 2 release managers [3]; release > > >>> guide > > >>>> is > > >>>>>> at > > >>>>>>>>>> [4] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - 73 people have contributed to the project during > > >> incubation > > >>>> [9] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Assessment of the maturity model is available at [5] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Branding issues have been solved and name searching has > > >>> been > > >>>>>>>>>> completed > > >>>>>>>>>>> [6] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Other things we need to discuss: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Website > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We updated our Website [7] content, logo, document, and so > > >> on > > >>>>>>>>> according > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Apache rules > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and hopefully, it's following all requirements. You may > > >> help > > >>>>> check > > >>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rules [8] and discuss > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ones that you think need to change. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Sponsored CDN > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We have updated the Website with a sponsored CDN to improve > > >>>> speed > > >>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>> China > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> created an account for all PPMCs. But we are not sure how > > >> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>> should distribute the > > >>>>>>>>>>>> password of that account? Should we send the password on > > >> the > > >>>>>> private > > >>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list? Is that safe enough? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the releasing script in the release guide [4] depends > > >>> on > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> password > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of the CDN > > >>>>>>>>>>>> private key. How should we distribute it? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. PMCs and Committers > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We have to discuss what to do with the initial PPMCs that > > >> had > > >>>> no > > >>>>>>>>> clear > > >>>>>>>>>>>> contribution to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the project during incubation. We should decide on each of > > >>>> them, > > >>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>> wish > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to make > > >>>>>>>>>>>> him a PMC or Committer or neither. Basically, it's decided > > >> by > > >>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>> project, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> so please talk about how you feel about this. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> a. Lin Zhifeng https://github.com/kener > > >>>>>>>>>>>> b. Dong Rui https://github.com/erik168 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> c. Huang Houjin https://github.com/chriswong > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://echarts.apache.org/en/committers.html > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > > >>> https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@echarts.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [3] > > >>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/echarts/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [4] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ECHARTS/Apache+ECharts+Release+Guide > > >>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ECHARTS/Apache+ECharts+Release+Guide > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [5] > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/ECHARTS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+ECharts > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [6] > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-153 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [7] http://echarts.apache.org/ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [8] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [9] Using `git shortlog -sn --since="20 Jan, 2018"` on the > > >>>> master > > >>>>>>>>>> branch > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and merging > > >>>>>>>>>>>> alias > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Ovilia* > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@echarts.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> dev-h...@echarts.apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Kevin A. McGrail > > >>>>>>> kmcgr...@apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation > > >>>>>>> Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project > > >>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@echarts.apache.org > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@echarts.apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Yi Shen > > >>>> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Yi Shen > > >> Apache ECharts(incubating) PPMC > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@echarts.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@echarts.apache.org > > > > >
