On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:25 PM Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> Thanks for answering, appreciate it greatly. > > However, isn't the "ramp into ASF" more of an "equality in opportunity" > than "equality of outcome", the latter being (IIUIC) is the definition of > Equity? > This distinction between "equality in opportunity" and "equality in outcome" is a common one to explain equity. It is helpful to avoid the "rugged individualism" detour. But it is forcing reality to fit into words. I don't think debating the difference in words is helpful, once you get into specifics. One can often be easily turned into the other. For example, imagine no ramps. Every human being has an equal opportunity to use the sidewalks and roads that exist. But every human being does not have equal opportunity to cross a road at an intersection. I am far from expert in either the problems or solutions. I think this list is probably best for identifying problems and working towards solutions. For more general discussion of what it is all about, we have left divers...@apache.org, yes? I am not trying to push you to the different list, but just to be clear about their purposes and make sure to have the right audience. Kenn > > Cheers > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:12 PM Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Thank you for the clear question. I think it is well and thoughtfully > > phrased. > > > > An example from everyday life where I live is that sidewalks are > generally > > expected to have adequate ramps for persons using wheelchairs to cross > > streets. > > > > For me, working in open source and being recognized for my contributions > is > > a great privilege, a longstanding dream that I was lucky enough to find a > > path into (as a middle age cis white male with a PhD in a lucrative > > discipline). I would like to share that privilege with many different > sorts > > of people, particularly those with fewer advantages. That is one outcome > I > > have in mind. I hope this shows an example of how D & E & I are related. > > > > I see the work of this list & group to include the search for what are > the > > undiscovered things analogous to "ramps". Also to gather the evidence > > needed to communicate these discoveries to others. I think the Outreachy > > project is a great example. Perhaps you would be interested in also > helping > > with that? > > > > Kenn > > > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:36 PM Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> > wrote: > > > > > Since my question was left unanswered, I would like to bring it up > again. > > > > > > Since D&I now seems to get extended with "Equity", I would like to get > > > answered what is "Equity" in the scope of the ASF? > > > > > > As I am reading up on the subject, it always comes back to a "GET" for > a > > > group or an individual. The fence analogy is touted, so that everyone > get > > > to see (mind you the problem with the paying vs non-paying viewers) is > > > about "get an opportunity to see", receiving something. > > > > > > I have always viewed the ASF as a place to "GIVE". I have an > opportunity > > to > > > "give contributions" to others, not a matter of what I "GET", which is > > > largely a function of how I amalgamize contributions of others to my > own > > > life and career. > > > > > > What am I missing? What is the "Outcome" for a person or a group of > > people, > > > that the "Equity" argument is trying to address, in the ASF context? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > >
