Heya Joan, excellent explanation, thank you!
In addition to your points, from a German native speakers perspective, „Empathie“ means exactly what we want, in German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathie — The free translation „Einfühlsamkeit“ includes „fühlen“, which means „to feel“ and I think that’s the foundation for Andy’s point. I’d say, ignore that particular potential translation and go with „Empathie“ instead :) Best Jan -- On 18 May 2014, at 18:53 , Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for the feedback. If we were voting I'd treat your response as > a -0. Indeed, part of understanding where another person is coming from > is respect, but respect does not go far enough. > > The word empathetic (or empathic, a spelling variation) appears in many > of the other upstream codes of conduct. I had a feeling there might be > some confusion around the word in different languages, which is why I > placed a reference definition at the bottom of the document. > > As an Apache project, we "value community over code." Translating this > into our code of conduct means that, all other things being equal, we > should prioritize good interpersonal relationships over good code. Let > me explain how I see this choice being a net positive to CouchDB. > > Empathy differs from sympathy and compassion. It describes a human > ability to comprehend others through identification with their logical > and emotional viewpoints. This is especially important to call out in > an environment like ours, where we are a fully distributed team who > communicate almost exclusively via the printed word. > > We all have a shared goal - improving CouchDB - but we will all have > different hopes, dreams and expectations about what that means and where > the project will go. It is critical to recognize another person's > feelings and argument position when it comes to any sort of discussion > about the project, whether there is agreement or not. > > It is also a community, like most of software development today, where > there is a statistical abundance of atypical human behaviour. This > includes but is not limited to individuals who behave along the autistic > spectrum, those who are are extremely antisocial or narcissistic, or > have difficulty in the regulation of their own emotional state. For > these individuals in particular (but not just for them!) empathy is > challenging. Calling out that it is valued here is a gentle reminder to > these populations to reinforce acceptable interaction patterns. > > This is an inherently subjective matter and cannot be sidelined or > ignored simply to focus on more cut-and-dry topics like technical code > reviews. Further, it tends to be a less lawful area, one that is harder > to systemize, so it requires special consideration and focus, especially > for those to whom such thought does not come easily. We are also > acknowledging that people will not act without emotion, especially when > they are working on a volunteer project they join because of their own > wants, needs and desires. As developers in this community, it behooves > us to empathize with users, developers, committers and PMC members prior > to reacting to them. It explicitly acknowledges our own emotional > reactions as well as those around us. > > I hope this analysis is clear. Empathy, not just respct, is crucial to > the long-term success of our project. > > -Joan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Wenk" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:27:25 AM > Subject: Re: Code of Conduct & Diversity Statement draft needs your feedback! > > Hi Joan, > > thanks a lot. I have read the post the first time and it is really awesome. > It is very clear and I think also non-native English speaking folks can > understand everything. > > The only thing I stumbled a bit upon was "Be empathetic, welcoming, > friendly and patient:" - here empathetic. The German translation is > "einfühlsam". I personally would not use this word for a behaviour I expect > in a technical project. I would use it in a community where I discuss very > personal things like how I can have a better life or how to be a better > partner. Maybe others have this feeling also. It's a bit too much "power > flower" for me. > > Regarding the endnotes and explanation why this word is used, I would > change it to > > "Be respectful, welcoming, friendly and patient:" > > But finally it is NOT a blocker for me also. > > I will read everything again later. > > Thanks again :) > > Cheers > > Andy > > > On 18 May 2014 01:19, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> The draft CoC and diversity statement have been published at: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=41812010 >> >> The wiki is a bit slow today so if it doesn't load the first time, hit >> reload and be patient. >> >> Please take the time to review this and post comments here on the dev >> ML. >> >> Outstanding items (2 and 3 are specifically for the PMC): >> >> 1. Create expanded CoC for conferences/events >> 2. Determine appropriate venue and scope for diversity ML >> 3. Determine appropriate private reporting compliance mechanism >> >> -Joan >> > > > > -- > Andy Wenk > Hamburg - Germany > RockIt! > > GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 > > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc
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