Oh, regarding the legal aspect... 

I can 'coho check-license', and didn't encounter any issues. It flagged two 
packages under express:

* 'ms' (a millisecond conversion utility) which has no license file or license 
entry in package.json, but on investigation is released under the MIT license 
(in the README). 
* 'inherits', which is released under the ISC license (which a lot of our 
dependencies are - we just haven't added it to the acceptable license list).

So I feel ok about that aspect. Most of those 43 modules are actually, 
technically, part of Express (or very closely related to it).

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Barham 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 7:15 PM
To: 'dev@cordova.apache.org' <dev@cordova.apache.org>
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] cordova-serve 0.2.0 release

Yeah... This is a philosophy of the Express guys - they keep packages really 
small, and have more packages. Basically, their philosophy is that each package 
should only define one discrete piece of functionality, in a single source 
file. As soon as that file gets too big or there is a feeling that 
functionality should be extracted into another file, that becomes another 
package.

This results in a lot of packages, but they're all really tiny. Do we consider 
that (the number of packages) a problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 6:54 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-serve 0.2.0 release

Tim you realize that by bringing in "express" as a dependency to cordova cli 
you are bringing a 43 other npm packages?

Did you or your team did a quick assessment on how healthy legally speaking on 
the complete set of dependencies?
⛄  $ npm install express 1>/dev/null && find node_modules/express | grep 
package.json | wc -l
      43

I would also be concern about size, we had problems in the past where 
dependencies includes fixtures and this added considerable file size to 
cordova-cli I check and it's small 1.7mb, so no problem there.

⛄  $ du -sh node_modules/express/
1.7M node_modules/express/


On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:29 PM Steven Gill <stevengil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd rather we bump the major and get out of 0.x.x land.
> On Oct 5, 2015 9:58 AM, "Tim Barham" <tim.bar...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > If the version is 0.x.x, then bumping the minor version is treated 
> > as a breaking change (by npm/semver) - the idea is that until 
> > version 1.0.0, things are still in flux.
> >
> > That said, I'm happy to call it 1.0.0 if that's preferable.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 9:01 AM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] cordova-serve 0.2.0 release
> >
> > Why not 1.0.0 if it is breaking
> > On Oct 4, 2015 5:22 PM, "Tim Barham" <tim.bar...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all... Yesterday I submitted a PR that was a bit of a rework to 
> > > cordova-serve - previously it had essentially been a direct port 
> > > of what was in cordova-lib's 'serve' command and cordova-browser, 
> > > with a couple of hooks to customize functionality. Yesterday's PR 
> > > changes it to use ExpressJS for the grunt-work (which simplifies 
> > > the code a lot), and removes those hooks in favor of the ability 
> > > to attach Express middleware (a breaking change, which will 
> > > require the next release to be bumped to 0.2.0). If anyone who has 
> > > an opinion about this could take a look and provide feedback, that'd be 
> > > great.
> > >
> > > Once I've merged it, I'd like to start a vote thread for an 
> > > updated release of cordova-serve containing this change for a 
> > > couple of
> reasons:
> > >
> > > * I have the corresponding changes for cordova-browser and 
> > > cordova-lib ready to go, but I can't get them in until we release 
> > > the updated cordova-serve module.
> > > * I have another module that uses cordova-serve that I'd like to 
> > > switch over to the ExpressJS version.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
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