Thanks for this info, Tammo - this is all great stuff, and it sounds like the German Cordova community owes you a lot! I have a couple of comments:
1. In the Cordova community (or any Apache community), nobody should consider themselves a small person :). Individual contributions are what Apache projects are all about (or should be). While some of us might have microsoft.com or intel.com or adobe.com email addresses, in the long run our contributions are no more important than anybody else's (we just have the good fortune of doing it for our day job :) ). 2. I know this was already mentioned by Julio, but it seems to me you would definitely be welcome at the face 2 face meeting if you felt it might be of benefit. It sounds to me like it would be a great opportunity if you could make it. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Tammo Schimanski [mailto:tammo.schiman...@cordova.de] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 8:17 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? Hello to all of you from Germany, i never wrote an e-mail to this list before but i want to tell you something about the situation over here. I started developing applications with Cordova two years ago. It wasn’t easy to understand how Cordova works and how it has to be used. The docs didn’t help me enough so that i had to spend many hours in watching video tutorials on youtube and read many articles about the cordova workflow. After i developed applications for over a year, i decided to found a german community which helps users who feel like i felt a year ago. At the End of 2014 i wrote e-mails to apache, registered domains and invested many hours in research and writing tutorials, blog articles and so on. Down to the present day the main Tutorials (iOS & Android) were viewed over 40.000 times. We have about 800 visits a day and are helping all people with their questions inside the board. Stackoverflow is also a great way to help people but not all german developers are able to ask a question in english (although you might thought that they are). My target ever was to help people who are sitting in front of their computers and thinking „hey… why aren’t you working cordova“ or „why doesn’t it work like expected“? In spring 2015 my colleague and i decided to make all a bit more professional. We weren’t satisfied by the website because all was a bit heavy to find (Tutorials etc.) and it was not state of the art. Again: E-Mails to apache, registered a new domain and now we’re starting a big project under https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.de&data=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DWV2Gp%2btg2ekG6MvC1Ra9IMfFh3ceDWQUwjrRFAjaXM%3d (first look for you: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.cordova.de%2fdev&data=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=AX4broDgZmgkyx6ljiVci1OTd%2fMRkZXM7KqK3ECA%2bzc%3d). I had to rewrite all tutorials, because its still our aim to make it understandable and clear for everyone! Till now we spent already over 250 hours together for the new project - but it is no problem: We love cordova! The Project will start at the end of September this year. Cordova is a possibility for companys creating a new branch. Every websitedeveloper is able to develop applications with Cordova - but not every Developer knows this. We want to spread cordova to every developer inside Germany! So yes, why am i writing you this all? I think, in comparison to you i’m a small person. If i see all the people here getting e-mails to @https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=microsoft.com&data=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=TkAyBoWRDD87phXTuwk5Ut4kRD1pf9yEqaKc0OoZ2Rs%3d, @https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=intel.com&data=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=3ZP1F9eBjoU68%2bRDamnegwZ3kszlp%2baOveRcsDlyIVI%3d and so on…yes, i’m a small person. I just want to let you know, that if we can do anything from the other side of the big pond: Please let us know - we’re here, waiting for your instructions :-). I don’t know if this „Cordova face to face meeting“ is open for all but my colleague and i thought about coming to that meeting. Only because we’re interested into getting a deeper look into things and because we both want to get better and better. The better we get, the better we can help the users in understanding cordova. Belonging to the topic, Stackoverflow, frustration etc. - i understand Jesse Monroy. A big problem is that in many cases you just can post links „look here“ „read this“ etc. and if you give a detailed answer, you’ll never hear something again from that user like „worked for me“ or „no this doesn’t work“. Thats why we also created a „first steps in cordova“ guide on our new website in which all mistakes which can be done are explained. Okay so… at least, sorry if something is unclear or understandable. I hope that it was at least a little bit interesting for you to get some feedback from Germany. Greetings from Tammo Schimanski E-Mail: tammo.schiman...@cordova.de Phone / Whatsapp: + 49 162 40 98 169 Am [DATE] schrieb "julio cesar sanchez" <[ADDRESS]>: >I would like to bring this topic back because I've seen two things >recently that worried me > >First one on the google group "Frustration in the forum" >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgroups >.google.com%2fforum%2f%23!topic%2fphonegap%2fD7ydf_hNq-w&data=01%7c01%7 >cTBARHAM%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c >72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=1Oi55qjHPNIa93Qwhn%2fglWTziW >1vY8ZcKxp8M3JHRZ4%3d > >Second one, increasing number of unanswered questions on stackoverflow >(from >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fstackov >erflow.com%2ftags%2fcordova%2ftopusers&data=01%7c01%7cTBARHAM%40064d.mg >d.microsoft.com%7c92b01a5e6bba44c1208608d2af91e9ab%7c72f988bf86f141af91 >ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ePFNX11aAOUF%2frRpMUGvDlMuuVNxbzVoqRb07hTzGHM% >3d) > >cordova Questions >259 Last 7 Days 79.9% unanswered >1,172 Last 30 Days 75.7% unanswered >37,119 All Time 46.4% unanswered > > >I think it's related with the "Frustration in the forum", a lot of >questions are from newbiews and low quality so nobody answer them (not >sure if this happens with other tags or just with cordova) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org
